adjusting fuel pressure on TBI - Various Options

Bruce Plecan nacelp at bright.net
Sun Oct 22 00:41:49 GMT 2000


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This ought to go near the FAQ or something
Good Coverage
Bruce
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Walter Sherwin=20
  To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org=20
  Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 2:55 PM
  Subject: Re: adjusting fuel pressure on TBI - Various Options


  Assuming you are using the common GM 2bbl TBI's, you have the =
following options for playing with fuel pressure  (NOTE: most garden =
variety 2bbl TBI regulators were factory set for a range of 9-13psig, =
but be aware that there were also some identical looking ones that were =
set for "other" ranges.  So, it's best to check where you're at before =
swapping).  Options are as follows......

  1) Bolt on an aftermarket adjustable TBI regulator from Turbo City, =
Hypertech, JET, etc.  All of these will adjust up to about almost =
15psig, depending upon your setup and pump voltage.  This would be a =
logical replacement for a factory 9-13psig unit, for an engine that has =
been warmed over with a few mods.

  2) A step beyond......GM TBI regulator P/N 17113186 is a direct =
bolt-on jobbie, and will give you about 18-20psig fuel pressure.  =
Additionally, this regulator has vacuum compensation capability.  If you =
hook the included vac port to manifold vacuum, then you'll get a part =
throttle fuel pressure decay of roughly 1psig per every 2"Hg manifold =
vacuum.  This comes from certain marine and HT502 applications.

  3) A little bigger step beyond.......GM TBI regulator P/N 17113079 is =
a direct bolt-on jobbie, and will give you about 26-32psig.  It does not =
have vac compensation.  This comes from some of the late 90's BBC =
applications.

  4) You can add vac compensation to any TBI regulator, if you have the =
time and patience to get creative.  Basically,  you just need to make =
the can assembly that surrounds the backside of the diaphragm "sealed", =
and then plumb it to manifold vacuum.  You can either do this thru =
sealing/welding shut the existing can, or machining a new can.  The shop =
manual tells you not to disassemble these regulators, but in truth they =
are quite easy to dis/re assemble if you are careful. =20

  5) You can change the setpoint of your stock regulator by roughly +/- =
2psig, quite easily.  Sometimes without even having to disassemble it.  =
Remove the whole fuel meter cover and regulator assembly from your TBI =
and flip it upside down in your left hand.  You should note a =
rectangular window cut in the side of the regulator can, with the end of =
a tang visibly located somewhere between the extreme ends of that =
window.  The tang is attached to the spring perch within, and it's =
relative up/down position is roughly proportional to the setpoint of the =
regulator.  Move tang up, more pressure, move tang down, less pressure.  =
Now, look at the bottom of the can and you will probably see a beefy =
collar with what appears to be a screw tack welded in the middle.  You =
can either dremel away the tack weld and manipulate the screw, or, you =
can try this next approach.  Firmly grasp the collar with a good set of =
vice grips or channel-lock pliers, and gently attempt to force the =
collar counter clockwise.  Chances are pretty good that the tack welds =
between the can and the collar will snap, and you can then proceed to =
turn the whole collar assembly counter clockwise to raise the pressure =
slightly.  If this does not work for you, or if your regulator does not =
have a collar (as some don't), then you'll have to disassemble the =
regulator to modify it.  Again, spin the perch counter clockwise on the =
screw shaft to compress the spring and raise the pressure.

  6) The external regulator approach.........You can also leave your =
stock TBI regulator in place (no need to gut it unless planning to get =
really wild with pressures, and fear a burst diaphragm), and then =
graft-in any flavour of external regulator, into the TBI return fuel =
line, remote from the TBI assembly.  The external regulator can either =
be a "fixed" pressure jobbie without vac compensation (intended to =
continually override the setpoint of the stock TBI regulator), or, it =
can be a "variable" vac compensated jobbie (intended to provide more =
fuel when needed and then cut back and allow the stock TBI regulator to =
take control during cruise). =20

  7)  Whether to run a fixed pressure, or a variable pressure,  at the =
TBI injectors all comes down to your personal level of comfort with the =
TBI software at hand.  The most elegant approach is to select a fixed =
pressure operating point, then modify the software injector BPC's to =
suit, and then cal the VE's to suit your engine mods (this carries with =
it the assumption that you will either measure or calculate your new =
injector flow rates at your new pressure setpoint).  But, if software =
modifications are troublesome, then variable pressures can be used to at =
least get things pretty durn close, and then rely upon the INT/BLM =
features to reign things into control.

  8)  As a general rule of thumb, I've found that most GM Rochester TBI =
injectors will comfortably tolerate up to 30'ish psig without issue, =
assuming that they are connected to individual 4/1 amp drivers.  There =
are some TBI injectors that can be driven has high as 70psig, but they =
are an exception rather than the norm.


  Sorry for the long missive, but I thought I'd dump as many related =
ideas as I could in one place, while I had the chance, in case someone =
was surfing the archives in a couple of years.


  Walt.=20



    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: thom358=20
    To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org=20
    Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 11:14 PM
    Subject: adjusting fuel pressure on TBI


    Is there an adjustable fuel pressure regulator for a TBI setup?  is =
there a way to bypass the origional, or gut it and run an aftermarket =
regulator?  I am would like to run more fuel pressure, but I want to be =
able to adjust it.  Any thoughts are appreciated.

    THOM

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This ought to go near the FAQ or=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Good Coverage</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bruce</FONT></DIV>
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  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dwsherwin at home.com href=3D"mailto:wsherwin at home.com">Walter =
Sherwin</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Ddiy_efi at diy-efi.org=20
  href=3D"mailto:diy_efi at diy-efi.org">diy_efi at diy-efi.org</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 21, =
2000 2:55=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: adjusting fuel =
pressure on=20
  TBI - Various Options</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Assuming you are using&nbsp;the common =
GM&nbsp;2bbl TBI's,=20
  you have the following options for playing with fuel pressure&nbsp; =
(NOTE:=20
  most garden variety 2bbl TBI regulators were factory set for a range =
of=20
  9-13psig, but be aware that there were also some identical looking =
ones that=20
  were set for "other" ranges.&nbsp; So, it's best to check where you're =
at=20
  before swapping).&nbsp; Options are as follows......</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>1) Bolt on an aftermarket adjustable TBI regulator =
from=20
  Turbo City, Hypertech, JET, etc.&nbsp; All of these will adjust up to =
about=20
  almost 15psig, depending upon your setup and pump voltage.&nbsp; This =
would be=20
  a logical replacement for a factory 9-13psig unit, for an engine that =
has been=20
  warmed over with a few mods.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>2) A step beyond......GM TBI regulator P/N =
17113186 is a=20
  direct bolt-on jobbie, and will give you about 18-20psig fuel =
pressure.&nbsp;=20
  Additionally, this regulator has&nbsp;vacuum compensation =
capability.&nbsp; If=20
  you hook the included vac port to manifold vacuum, then you'll get a =
part=20
  throttle fuel pressure decay of roughly 1psig per every 2"Hg manifold=20
  vacuum.&nbsp; This comes from certain marine and HT502=20
  applications.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>3) A little bigger step beyond.......GM TBI =
regulator P/N=20
  17113079 is a direct bolt-on jobbie, and will give you about =
26-32psig.&nbsp;=20
  It does not have vac compensation.&nbsp; This comes from some of the =
late 90's=20
  BBC applications.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>4) You can add vac compensation to any TBI =
regulator, if you=20
  have the time and patience to get creative.&nbsp; Basically,&nbsp; you =
just=20
  need to make the can assembly that surrounds the backside of the =
diaphragm=20
  "sealed", and then plumb it to manifold vacuum.&nbsp; You can either =
do this=20
  thru sealing/welding shut the existing can, or machining a new =
can.&nbsp; The=20
  shop manual tells you not to disassemble these regulators, but in =
truth they=20
  are quite easy to dis/re assemble if you are careful.&nbsp; =
</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>5) You can change the setpoint of your stock =
regulator by=20
  roughly +/- 2psig, quite easily.&nbsp;&nbsp;Sometimes without even =
having to=20
  disassemble it.&nbsp; Remove the whole fuel meter cover and regulator =
assembly=20
  from your TBI and flip it upside down in your left hand.&nbsp; You =
should note=20
  a rectangular window cut in the side of the regulator can, with the =
end of a=20
  tang visibly located somewhere between the extreme ends of that =
window.&nbsp;=20
  The tang is attached to the spring perch within, and it's relative =
up/down=20
  position is roughly proportional to the setpoint of the =
regulator.&nbsp; Move=20
  tang up, more pressure, move tang down, less pressure.&nbsp; Now, look =
at the=20
  bottom of the can and you will probably see a beefy collar with what =
appears=20
  to be a screw tack welded in the middle.&nbsp; You can either dremel =
away the=20
  tack weld and manipulate the screw, or, you can try this next =
approach.&nbsp;=20
  Firmly grasp the collar with a good set of vice grips or channel-lock =
pliers,=20
  and gently attempt to force the collar counter clockwise.&nbsp; =
Chances are=20
  pretty good that the tack welds between the can and the collar will =
snap, and=20
  you can then proceed to turn the whole collar assembly counter =
clockwise to=20
  raise the pressure slightly.&nbsp; If this does not work for you, or =
if your=20
  regulator does not have a collar (as some don't), then you'll have to=20
  disassemble the regulator to modify it.&nbsp; Again, spin the perch =
counter=20
  clockwise on the screw shaft to compress the spring and raise the=20
  pressure.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>6) The external regulator approach.........You can =
also=20
  leave your stock TBI regulator in place (no need to gut it unless =
planning to=20
  get really wild with pressures, and fear a burst diaphragm), and then =
graft-in=20
  any flavour of external regulator, into the TBI return fuel line, =
remote from=20
  the TBI assembly.&nbsp; The external regulator can either be a "fixed" =

  pressure jobbie without vac compensation&nbsp;(intended to continually =

  override the setpoint of the stock TBI regulator), or, it can be a =
"variable"=20
  vac compensated jobbie (intended&nbsp;to provide more fuel when needed =
and=20
  then cut back and allow the stock TBI regulator to take control during =

  cruise).&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>7)&nbsp; Whether to run a fixed pressure, or a =
variable=20
  pressure,&nbsp; at the TBI injectors all comes down to =
your&nbsp;personal=20
  level of comfort with the TBI software at hand.&nbsp; The most elegant =

  approach is to select&nbsp;a fixed pressure&nbsp;operating point, then =
modify=20
  the software injector BPC's to suit, and then cal the VE's to suit =
your engine=20
  mods (this carries with it the assumption that you will either measure =
or=20
  calculate your new injector flow rates at your new=20
  pressure&nbsp;setpoint).&nbsp; But, if software modifications are =
troublesome,=20
  then&nbsp;variable pressures&nbsp;can be used to at least get things =
pretty=20
  durn close, and then rely upon the INT/BLM features to reign things =
into=20
  control.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>8)&nbsp; As a general rule of thumb, I've found =
that most GM=20
  Rochester TBI injectors will comfortably tolerate up to 30'ish psig =
without=20
  issue, assuming that they are connected to individual 4/1 amp =
drivers.&nbsp;=20
  There are some TBI injectors that&nbsp;can be driven has high =
as&nbsp;70psig,=20
  but they are an exception rather than the norm.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Sorry for the long missive, but I thought I'd dump =
as many=20
  related ideas as I could in one place, while I had the chance, in case =
someone=20
  was surfing the archives in a couple of years.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Walt.</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <DIV=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dthom358 at netzero.net =
href=3D"mailto:thom358 at netzero.net">thom358</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Ddiy_efi at diy-efi.org=20
    href=3D"mailto:diy_efi at diy-efi.org">diy_efi at diy-efi.org</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 20, =
2000 11:14=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> adjusting fuel =
pressure on=20
    TBI</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>Is there an adjustable fuel pressure regulator for a TBI =
setup?&nbsp;=20
    is there a way to bypass the origional, or gut it and run an =
aftermarket=20
    regulator?&nbsp; I am would like to run more fuel pressure, but I =
want to be=20
    able to adjust it.&nbsp; Any thoughts are appreciated.</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>THOM</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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