EFI control

[justin ivan]

I have to agree that there is a large market for a good aftermarket system. 
(Well at least 3  on the list so far)
Justin


>From: "Shirley, Mark R" <MarkRShirley at eaton.com>
>Reply-To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>To: "'diy_efi at diy-efi.org'" <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
>Subject: RE: EFI control
>Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:15:37 -0500
>
>Just goes to show that not everybodies definition of enthusiast is the
>same.  I don't like trailer queens.  I want my cars to be daily drivers
>as well as my hot rods.  I have an engine in my truck that is so unusual
>that it needed to have an aftermarket ECM to operate.  There simply was
>no other option.  It's intended to be a daily driver, but I'm always
>fighting
>the aftermarket EFI since it's not weatherproof.
>
>I know exactly what it costs to design and build a hardened ECM for lower
>volume applications.  It used factory sensors, was weatherproof, came with 
>a
>
>near-OEM quality harness, was programmable via laptop, etc.  In volumes
>of 2000-5000 pcs per year it ran around $250 to produce.  The harness cost
>$140 to produce.  That's a pretty tidy profit for the manufacturers if they
>price it at $1000.  Heck, they could probably get $1200-1300 for it.  It 
>was
>that nice.
>
>All I am saying is that the aftermarket guys can do better, and there's a
>market
>for better quality merchandise without paying $4000 for a racing system 
>like
>a Motronic.  There's at least two of us here on this dinky little mailing
>list.
>
>If you give somebody decent quality merchandise for a decent price, it will
>sell
>itself and you'll put your competitors out of business.  The fact that 
>there
>are
>so many little EFI systems out there shows that no-one has done this.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: James Montebello [mailto:jamesm at lapuwali.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 3:26 PM
>To: 'diy_efi at diy-efi.org'
>Subject: RE: EFI control
>
>
>On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Eric Bryant wrote:
> > Well, I'm an automotive electrical engineer, and I do understand why the
> > requirements have evolved to the point where they're at right now.  If
> > you're only driving your car on the strip and it's being operated from
>temps
> > ranging from, oh, 40 F to 100 F, and only on dry days, then I can see
>where
> > you don't need the level of engineering that an OEM part provides.
>
>So, since this all started with the SDS system, I looked, and couldn't
>find anything on their site about defined temperature or humidity ranges.
>Nothing on vibration or shock.  Nothing about using it in a daily driver.
>Indeed, they specifically mention that you have to be careful about
>using it in any street application.  They're targeting the low-end
>racing market.
>
>A quick check of Electromotive's site came up with the same result.
>
>So, I don't see the aftermarket pushing insufficiently tested products
>intended for daily-driver use.  I do see them pushing products intended
>for enthusiast use.  Same sort of market where exhaust systems that always
>need to be bent to fit are sold.  Same sort of market where air filters
>that require regular cleaning and oiling are sold.  Same sort of market
>where cams are sold that will just barely pass smog, not comfortably,
>and only if the rest of the car is in top tune.  Same sort of market
>where warranties are 60 days to a year, not 5 years.
>
>You know, the sort of market that lives where the OEMs can't, with much
>thinner margins of safety and quality (and profit).  If the OEMs pushed
>the envelope as far as the aftermarket did, we'd all need to do a lot
>more maintenance and repair work on our cars.  But the OEMs serve a wider
>(sloppier, more careless) market than the aftermarket does.
>
>If you took your current attitude and started an aftermarket company to
>produce EFI equipment, you'd quickly find yourself out of business.
>Give these people a break.
>
>james montebello
>
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