EFI control

[Bruce Plecan]

Was a lister that had problems with the IAC driver failing (several times).
Repair cost $319 as I recall.
Holley makes great carbs, but IMO is about clueless in EFI.
Note they bought I think it was Cutler EFI for a source to break into the
multiport.   If you read up on Cutler, tehn you can see how they're
thinking.
Try a made up quesstion to their tech line, Hehehehehehehee
Guys I talked to had no clue about EFI.
Truely sad, but about to be expected.
Now, that they have been bought out I just expect things to get even worse
there.
Bruce


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Dammeyer" <johnd at autoartisans.com>
To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: EFI control


> I have a question about this.  I've seen on Crank & Chrome the use of the
> Holley Fuel Injection upgrade kit.  Is this also poor quality?  Can
someone
> with experience in these various EFI systems post a comparison with a good
> and bad listing of each.  We;'ve seen Cable/harness/connectors as Bad for
> SDS but what's good about it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John Dammeyer
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "justin ivan" <vlkslvr at hotmail.com>
> To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 1:23 PM
> Subject: RE: EFI control
>
>
> > I have to agree that there is a large market for a good aftermarket
> system.
> > (Well at least 3  on the list so far)
> > Justin
> >
> >
> > >From: "Shirley, Mark R" <MarkRShirley at eaton.com>
> > >Reply-To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > >To: "'diy_efi at diy-efi.org'" <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> > >Subject: RE: EFI control
> > >Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:15:37 -0500
> > >
> > >Just goes to show that not everybodies definition of enthusiast is the
> > >same.  I don't like trailer queens.  I want my cars to be daily drivers
> > >as well as my hot rods.  I have an engine in my truck that is so
unusual
> > >that it needed to have an aftermarket ECM to operate.  There simply was
> > >no other option.  It's intended to be a daily driver, but I'm always
> > >fighting
> > >the aftermarket EFI since it's not weatherproof.
> > >
> > >I know exactly what it costs to design and build a hardened ECM for
lower
> > >volume applications.  It used factory sensors, was weatherproof, came
> with
> > >a
> > >
> > >near-OEM quality harness, was programmable via laptop, etc.  In volumes
> > >of 2000-5000 pcs per year it ran around $250 to produce.  The harness
> cost
> > >$140 to produce.  That's a pretty tidy profit for the manufacturers if
> they
> > >price it at $1000.  Heck, they could probably get $1200-1300 for it.
It
> > >was
> > >that nice.
> > >
> > >All I am saying is that the aftermarket guys can do better, and there's
a
> > >market
> > >for better quality merchandise without paying $4000 for a racing system
> > >like
> > >a Motronic.  There's at least two of us here on this dinky little
mailing
> > >list.
> > >
> > >If you give somebody decent quality merchandise for a decent price, it
> will
> > >sell
> > >itself and you'll put your competitors out of business.  The fact that
> > >there
> > >are
> > >so many little EFI systems out there shows that no-one has done this.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: James Montebello [mailto:jamesm at lapuwali.com]
> > >Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 3:26 PM
> > >To: 'diy_efi at diy-efi.org'
> > >Subject: RE: EFI control
> > >
> > >
> > >On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Eric Bryant wrote:
> > > > Well, I'm an automotive electrical engineer, and I do understand why
> the
> > > > requirements have evolved to the point where they're at right now.
If
> > > > you're only driving your car on the strip and it's being operated
from
> > >temps
> > > > ranging from, oh, 40 F to 100 F, and only on dry days, then I can
see
> > >where
> > > > you don't need the level of engineering that an OEM part provides.
> > >
> > >So, since this all started with the SDS system, I looked, and couldn't
> > >find anything on their site about defined temperature or humidity range
s.
> > >Nothing on vibration or shock.  Nothing about using it in a daily
driver.
> > >Indeed, they specifically mention that you have to be careful about
> > >using it in any street application.  They're targeting the low-end
> > >racing market.
> > >
> > >A quick check of Electromotive's site came up with the same result.
> > >
> > >So, I don't see the aftermarket pushing insufficiently tested products
> > >intended for daily-driver use.  I do see them pushing products intended
> > >for enthusiast use.  Same sort of market where exhaust systems that
> always
> > >need to be bent to fit are sold.  Same sort of market where air filters
> > >that require regular cleaning and oiling are sold.  Same sort of market
> > >where cams are sold that will just barely pass smog, not comfortably,
> > >and only if the rest of the car is in top tune.  Same sort of market
> > >where warranties are 60 days to a year, not 5 years.
> > >
> > >You know, the sort of market that lives where the OEMs can't, with much
> > >thinner margins of safety and quality (and profit).  If the OEMs pushed
> > >the envelope as far as the aftermarket did, we'd all need to do a lot
> > >more maintenance and repair work on our cars.  But the OEMs serve a
wider
> > >(sloppier, more careless) market than the aftermarket does.
> > >
> > >If you took your current attitude and started an aftermarket company to
> > >produce EFI equipment, you'd quickly find yourself out of business.
> > >Give these people a break.
> > >
> > >james montebello
> > >
> >
>
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