Waste Spark Coils

Bob Wooten r71chevy at earthlink.net
Fri Feb 23 05:11:03 GMT 2001


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James,

 

thanks for the input.  I think that i am going to stay away from 
anything that says "smart".  the important thing for me is good power, 
reliability   cost (in that order).  I think that i will hold off of 
the expensive trick stuff for now.

 

BW


----- Original Message ----- 

From: James 
Ballenger  

To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org 

Sent: 2/22/01 5:42:08 PM 

Subject: RE: Waste Spark Coils





$20 buys you a very strong two post waste spark coil (for two 
cylinders).

The ignitors I am using now are Smart Bosch units that I have been able 
to

source for $35 each so it is $55/2 per cylinder or $27.50 for my

application.  You could use cheaper ignitors to reduce the cost, 
I use the

smart ones because I rev from 1400 rpm to 14000 rpm.  These coils 
require

some sort of mount.

 

The GM coils with ignitors built in are CNP and require 1 per 
cylinder.

These are $40 per cylinder and I don't think they are any stronger than 
the

waste spark coils.  I am also unsure of the ignitor circuit with 
regard to

whether or not they are auto-dwell (Smart).  I have a GM part #, 
but I have

to verify it.  These coils can be directly mounted.

 

James Ballenger

 

 

 -----Original Message-----

 From: owner-diy_efi at diy-efi.org  [mailto:owner-diy_efi at diy-efi.org ]On

 Behalf Of Jurgen Hartwig

 Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 10:43 AM

 To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org 

 Subject: Re: Waste Spark Coils

 

 

   On a similar subject, Jurgen said 2nd gen RX7 but I am not 
Mazda

   literate so i don't know my first Gen from my fourth 
gen.  on the

 subject

   of the RX7 coils, saying that they have that they have the ignitor 
in

 them, does

   that mean that they are fired with a TTL level 
input?  if so

 that would

   kill two birds with one stone for me.

 

 

 Hi, 2nd Gen RX-7s are cars from 86-91.  I believe the 
earlier

 cars used a

 distributor and later cars used a different style ignition coil.

 Remember, though, the leading coil is the only waste spark 
coil.  The

 trailing coil is a dual post coil, but a trigger wire

 alternately triggers

 a single post.

 

 Regarding the input, I really am not sure.  At the risk 
of

 sounding really

 stupid, what does TTL stand for?  I have seen the acronym, 
but

 never knew

 it's meaning.

 

 Is there any way I can test for this?

 

 Regarding the GM coils, I thought $20 bought you the coil, and

 you still

 had to buy the igniters.  If I can get GM coils and 
igniter

 for less than

 $40, then that's a better deal than the RX-7 coils.

 

 Is the GM coil a self-contained unit that can be mounted

 easily, or is it

 part of a module (i.e. need a mounting bracket)?

 

 Jay

 

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<DIV>thanks for the input.&nbsp; I think that i am going to stay away from anything that says "smart".&nbsp; the important thing for me is good power, reliability &amp; cost (in that order).&nbsp; I think that i will hold off of the expensive trick stuff for now.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:vtjballeng at yifan.net" title=vtjballeng at yifan.net>James Ballenger</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A href="mailto:vtjballeng at yifan.net" title=vtjballeng at yifan.net>diy_efi at diy-efi.org</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 2/22/01 5:42:08 PM </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Waste Spark Coils</DIV>
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<DIV>$20 buys you a very strong two post waste spark coil (for two cylinders).</DIV>
<DIV>The ignitors I am using now are Smart Bosch units that I have been able to</DIV>
<DIV>source for $35 each so it is $55/2 per cylinder or $27.50 for my</DIV>
<DIV>application.&nbsp;&nbsp;You could use cheaper ignitors to reduce the cost, I use the</DIV>
<DIV>smart ones because I rev from 1400 rpm to 14000 rpm.&nbsp;&nbsp;These coils require</DIV>
<DIV>some sort of mount.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The GM coils with ignitors built in are CNP and require 1 per cylinder.</DIV>
<DIV>These are $40 per cylinder and I don't think they are any stronger than the</DIV>
<DIV>waste spark coils.&nbsp;&nbsp;I am also unsure of the ignitor circuit with regard to</DIV>
<DIV>whether or not they are auto-dwell (Smart).&nbsp;&nbsp;I have a GM part #, but I have</DIV>
<DIV>to verify it.&nbsp;&nbsp;These coils can be directly mounted.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>James Ballenger</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;-----Original Message-----</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;From: <A href="mailto:owner-diy_efi at diy-efi.org">owner-diy_efi at diy-efi.org</A> [<A href="mailto:mailto:owner-diy_efi at diy-efi.org">mailto:owner-diy_efi at diy-efi.org</A>]On</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;Behalf Of Jurgen Hartwig</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 10:43 AM</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;To: <A href="mailto:diy_efi at diy-efi.org">diy_efi at diy-efi.org</A></DIV>
<DIV>&gt;Subject: Re: Waste Spark Coils</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;&gt; On a similar subject, Jurgen said 2nd gen RX7 but I am not Mazda</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;&gt; literate so i don't know my first Gen from my fourth gen.&nbsp;&nbsp;on the</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;subject</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;&gt; of the RX7 coils, saying that they have that they have the ignitor in</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;them, does</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;&gt; that mean that they are fired with a TTL level input?&nbsp;&nbsp;if so</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;that would</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;&gt; kill two birds with one stone for me.</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;Hi, 2nd Gen RX-7s are cars from 86-91.&nbsp;&nbsp;I believe the earlier</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;cars used a</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;distributor and later cars used a different style ignition coil.</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;Remember, though, the leading coil is the only waste spark coil.&nbsp;&nbsp;The</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;trailing coil is a dual post coil, but a trigger wire</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;alternately triggers</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;a single post.</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;Regarding the input, I really am not sure.&nbsp;&nbsp;At the risk of</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;sounding really</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;stupid, what does TTL stand for?&nbsp;&nbsp;I have seen the acronym, but</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;never knew</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;it's meaning.</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;Is there any way I can test for this?</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;Regarding the GM coils, I thought $20 bought you the coil, and</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;you still</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;had to buy the igniters.&nbsp;&nbsp;If I can get GM coils and igniter</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;for less than</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;$40, then that's a better deal than the RX-7 coils.</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;Is the GM coil a self-contained unit that can be mounted</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;easily, or is it</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;part of a module (i.e. need a mounting bracket)?</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;Jay</DIV>
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