Profiteers

[Bruce Plecan]

Well SD:
Guess us'ens will be having alot more free time.
Oh well.
Bruce




----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey A. Webb" <jwebb at pigpen.ecl.ufl.edu>
To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: Profiteers


> Shannen Durphey wrote:
> > Nothing stated here, on the list, has been given as a gift.  Nothing
discussed off
> > list has been
> > given as a gift.
>
> Not true.  How can you speak for everyone on the list?
>
> > Unless a person clearly stipulates within an email or message
> > that he or she is
> > giving a gift, expect otherwise.
> >
>
> I think Will is right when he says that an agreement must be made prior
> to the exchange of information.  This is the way things are done in most
> transactions I can think of.  Consider eating at a restaurant.  Do you
> negotiate the price of a meal after eating it?  How can you disagree
> with the price on the menu if you've already eaten the food?  It is the
> same way with information on the list.  How can you give information to
> someone without telling him how much it is going to cost him?  How can
> he "give back" the information if he decides that the cost is too high?
>
> > If a person chooses not to collect for any information used, it does not
mean there
> > is no debt owed.  Just because they're not asking for payment does not
mean there
> > is a
> > debt which does not need to be settled.
> >
> > A true gift is a rare thing indeed.  If you ask for something, you owe
something in
> > return.  If you sign up to this list expecting to get information, you
should
> > expect to give something back in return.  If you are contacted off list
as a result
> > of requests posted to the list, you are not absolved of your debt.
>
> Who defines this debt?  Who decides when a debt is repaid?
>
> > Is this clearly stated?
>
> Your opinion certainly is.  Just don't speak for the whole list.
>
> I understand your outrage at people making a profit from your hard work
> without giving you a cut.  I think that is unethical and wrong from a
> moral standpoint.  I just don't think your expectations are practical.
> I suggest that you don't publish anything on the list that you expect to
> be repaid for.  If you do, then explicitly state the conditions under
> which you are giving the information.
>
> Jeff Webb
>
>
> > Will McGonegal wrote:
> > >
> > > Unless there has been some agreement made, you should come to expect
nothing in
> > > return for any gift you give, including the gift of knowledge.  If you
expect
> > > something in return, that should be stipulated in some form of a
contract up
> > > front.  That is the sad reality of the world.
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