Oz WB PCBs - now available - Or how I screwed the list

[Bruce]

From: "Bernd Felsche" <bernie at innovative.iinet.net.au>
Subject: Re: Oz WB PCBs - now available - Or how I screwed the list


> Bruce tapped away at the keyboard with:
> > > > Nothing like free advertising, right Pete?..
> > > > You Copyright your site, and violate someone else's Users Agreement.
> > > FYI, Australia is a signatory to the Berne (?) convention on
Copyright.
> > > That convention says that Copyright is established as soon as
> > > something is first published. I believe that the USA is also
> > > (finally) a signatory.
> > > A Copyright notice serves to identify the holder of the Copyright
> > > and the year(s) of publication. Copyright exists in all published
> > > material unless explicitly surrendered.
> > > i.e. even though there may not be a Copyright notice, Copyright is
> > > still held by the author unless the author chooses to give it away.
> > > The necessity of including a Copyright notice (and "All Rights
> > > Reserved") is because of the USA's tardiness in signing the
> > > convention, allowing the work of foreigners to be exploited in the
> > > USA without compensation to the author, unless both notices had been
> > > meticulously included.
> > So, then your accusing him of violating Copyright laws in his WB
> > project, in addition to the Users Agreement?.

> I make no such accusation. I am not the owner of the Copyright on
> the original work, nor have I seen Peter present the original work
> as his own. IMHO, I would be well out of bounds to make such an
> accusation.

But copy right is implied.

> Copyright protects the rights of the author only as far as reaping
> benefits of further publication of the work. It doesn't protect the
> author from implementation of physical artifacts that might be
> described in the work. If you want that, then you either Patent or
> Register a design.
> Reminder: IANAL.
> Copyright entitles readers/viewers/listeners to certain rights
> including, but not limited to using extracts under "fair use"
> provisions.
> > > > That still puzzles me.  Maybe you can explain how that one works?
> > > > (without using any of your previous lies).
> > > > Nice to see you plaster this across the list for the 8 or so
> > > > Australian participants, and kill off other stuff for the rest of
> > > > us.  Even if you sell all 40 boards (I think that's what you've
> > > > claimed to have made), is it really worth trashing other projects
> > > > for the rest of us over your greed of a few bucks?.
> > > Peter is doing us a _favour_ in Australia. His local production of
> > > boards means that we don't have to mess around with overseas
> > > payment, postage, customs clearance and taxes.
> > Yep and well over 400 will get to pay for that.

> How so? Would those "400" be any worse off if the "40" made their
> own boards and the local merchants of the "raw" materials profited
> more in the process?

Well for openers, he's actions killed the ionization detonation detection
project.

> Those in North America can probably source the boards at half the
> cost. There's no motivation to buy from Peter unless one either
> can't get the board in the USA, or one believes that Peter's is
> substantially different to warrant the additional effort and
> expense. US-sourced board seem to be offered at about half the
> price.
> It could be argued that the "400" could be better off for the
> benefit of more-accessable distribution entertaining greater
> exposure. The feedback to the list from the users of those 40 boards
> can provide further insight.

That totally over looks the damage done, and possibly things in the future.

> > Gosh, imagine having to do all that.  Wow, you whine about that,
> > what about the work that went into designing the darn thing?.
> It would be a diminishingly-small minority who would fail to
> appreciate the work done so far.

Ya, but one guy's cashing in, has just been very espensive to everyone else.

> > > I believe that there are about 8 W.A. subscribers to the list.
> > > An estimate of 20 subscribers for the whole of the country would be
> > > quite conservative.
> > More then I've seen but even if it's 40, why should we all have to
> > be punished for his disreguard of something so simple as the Users
> > Agreement?.

> I'm disappointed that some people feel disenchanted by what's going
> on. I fail to see how the other people are being "punished", other
> than by their own views (and the email traffic this generates!).

Why now would anyone with enough talent want to contibute to any possible
**money makers**, when  they can devote the work to their own end, and cash
in on it.
Pete made money an issue.

Like I've said many times, the list has it's takers, and it's givers.
Given enough takers, there won't be anything left.
Bruce


>
> > > > BTW, how are the other list projects going?.
> > > > I'd just imagine, that they are way down on the to do list
> > > > since there is nothing to be gained from an on list discussion
> > > > of things.
> >
> > BTW, how is your WB project going?.
>
> Very slowly. I'm trying to run a business (quite unrelated to EFI)
> at the same time but much of my "spare" time seems to be taken up
> feeding bureaucracies. The cost of a sensor through normal channels
> is also prohibitive; too expensive for a "hobby" (up to $800); so
> I'm waiting for a group buy with costs closer to what I'm prepared
> to spend on something I might blow up in a few seconds...
>
> I endeavour to keep the DDL web page updated with the latest changes
> and additional information.
>
> > > [snip]
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Peter Gargano" <peter at techedge.com.au>
> > >
> > > > > I have a new batch of Oz-DIY-WB PCBs available. As before, AU$20
each
> > > > > (about US$12.50 total shipped to US/Europe within 7-10 days).
PayPal,
> > > > > Visa and Mastercard payment are accepted.
> > > [snip]
>
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