F1, trickle-down, etc.

[Bob Wooten]

HD's or Honda's?  I am not much into the HD's, but the Honda's I can (&
have) get into.

BW

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From: owner-diy_efi at diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi at diy-efi.org]On
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Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 5:17 PM
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Subject: Re: F1, trickle-down, etc.



When's the last time you looked at new big bike prices?.
They are totally insane,
Bruce


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Wooten" <r71chevy at earthlink.net>
To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 8:03 PM
Subject: RE: F1, trickle-down, etc.


> how much stuff do you see coming off an F1 car & onto a production based
car
> that Johnny Middle level management can afford, my bet, next to nothing.
> how much comes off of Race bikes that gets into production bikes, quite a
> bit.  upside down forks, single sided swing arms, EFI (which was an EPA
> thing not a technology thing, IMO), ram air systems, etc.
>
> I talk about real world things that us schmos can afford, not F1, or GP,
> stuff that only an elite few can afford.  I suppose that if I could afford
> it I could buy an F1 motor & stick it into my Camaro, now that would be
> trick, but kinda defeats the DIY part that I enjoy.
>
> BW
>
>
>
>
>
> Hmm...For several years now, Kevin Cameron, an engineer who writes an
> excellent column for _Cycle World_, has said exactly the opposite.
> Current F1 engines have far higher specific outputs than current
> front-line 4-stroke motorcycle engines.  Pneumatic valve gear is not used
> by any of the bikes.  None of them approach the insane piston speeds
> currently seen by F1 engines, nor do they use materials anywhere near as
> exotic.  The 2-strokes used by the premier classes are not particularly
> sophisticated, and haven't been developed to significantly higher power
> levels in several years, primarily because their chassis and tires simply
> won't handle anymore than they have.
>
> On street bikes, fuel injection has only very recently become commonplace,
> and still isn't universal on even the best-selling sporting machines.
>
> Now that the premier class is switching from 2-strokes to 4-strokes, I
> expect we'll see some catching up.  But the very fact that they have to
> play catch up indicates that bikes are, in fact, quite a ways behind cars
> in the technology stakes.  Most bike companies are relatively small, and
> have tiny race budgets in compared to the F1 budgets of Mercedes, BMW,
> Renault, and Ford.  Honda is alone in serving both camps, and has
> certainly lead the 4-stroke charge in bike engines historically.
>
> Perhaps 20 years ago, your statement was true.  It certainly hasn't
> been for the last 10 years, however.
>
> james montebello
>
>
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