[Diy_efi] Re: Diy_efi digest, Vol 1 #427 - 13 msgs

[Bill Washington]

Mike,
    Thank you, your comments are of interest and potential concern.
I would be interested to communicate with your acquaintance on this 
matter to hear first hand of his experience from which I can then pose 
some questions back to Pro-Ma directly. I would be happy for you to pass 
my email address to him for this purpose.

    Some points which may be relevant. Pro-Ma recommends:
1. Not to add the Oil additive to new or re-conditioned engines which 
have done less than 5000km.
2. Not to add it to engines which use very light oils
3. Not to add it in excess of the recommended dosage.
4. Mix thoroughly with the last litre of oil before adding.
5. Immediately after adding, run the engine for at least 15-30 mins 
before shutdown.( I normally do an oil change immediately before I have 
to drive somewhere which is going to take about that time).

This was first added to my cars at 300,000km and 200,000km respectively.

Your friend's experience obviously makes no comment about the Grease 
product.

The particles by the way are in the range 1-10 microns.

I agree with you thoroughly regarding using friends and acquaintenances 
as a meal ticket which is precisely why I am not in this as a business.
Friendships are far too valuable to abuse in that way.
The subject only comes up when someone asks a pointed question, ie the 
wheel rolling resistance question on list, and the follow on questions 
from that, or if/when someone sees me using it.

    So again I appreciate your input and would like to follow up on it, 
if that is at all possible.

Best Regards and a safe Christmas to all - remember the reason for the 
season!
Bill


>Message: 1
>Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 05:11:27
>To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
From: Mike <erazmus at iinet.net.au>
>Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Re: Diy_efi digest, Vol 1 #416 - 9 msgs
>Reply-To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>
>At 08:56 PM 18/12/2002 +1100, you wrote:
>  
>
>>Mike,
>>   The data sheet says "Spherical micrometallic particles"
>>Both Lead and Copper micro spheres are in suspension in the grease or 
>>oil base (depending on the application).
>>    
>>
>
>I know someone who used to have a Honda Prelude, his engine blew
>as his oil galleries were filled with a greyish sludge and he had
>been a rigorous promar user for 9 years with his car from new,
>dare I say it, he was not impressed and considered seriously
>legal options.
>Since then he uses the manufacturer recommended
>oils in his new cars and has never had a problem with metallic
>congealed sludge occluding his oil galleries.
>
>If there was anything positive in the long term with adding
>metallic particles to oil which *didnt* congeal into masses
>of junk causing blocking of oil galleries then I think by now
>the auto manufacturers would have taken it on board.
>
>I have never seen one auto manufacturer endorse the practice
>of adding 'microparticles' of metal into oil, when there is
>no chemical basis for assuming they *wont* congeal into lumps.
>
>With the pressures exerted by (for example) the crank against
>the bearings - what suggests these extreme pressures *wont*
>cause those metallic particles to be pressed together and
>squeeze into the small galleries in the bearings and stay there ?
>
>>From a psychological perspective people will always find
>anecdotal and circumstantial incidents to add to their endeavours
>as if its evidence. The modern internal combustion engine has
>a great capacity for being abused by the addition of so called
>additives and still manage to function and people misinterpret
>its ability to continue to function as proof the additives
>are doing their job.
>
>The practice of MLM where people are 'driven' to make business
>with and of their closest associates blurs the issue of integrity
>and is a disgusting expectation and one of manipulation, when
>every friend they encounter becomes another meal ticket. And to use
>questionable chemistry and physics as the basis in an industry
>that is very well researched has me dissapointed in the level
>of intellectual heights the human race has reached.
>
>What is the compelling evidence there is a chemical imperative
>the metallic particles will *not* eventually become congealed ?
>
>rgds
>
>Mike
>
>
>
>Rgds
>
>mike
>  
>



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