[Diy_efi] conversion questions
Bill USN-1
bill.hamilton1 at comcast.net
Fri Jan 30 21:27:41 GMT 2004
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The pump has nothing to do with the pressure (unless it's for a carb)
that's the job of the regulator.
The E2000 or E2182 Masters pump will max out about 90-95 psi. But that
means nothing if it only has to run at 12-14 psi on your TBI system.
It will work fine all day long. Been running several for almost 2 years
now.
Bill
USN-1
-----Original Message-----
From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]
On Behalf Of Peter Jonasson
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 10:46 AM
To: 'A list for Do-It-Yourself EFI'
Subject: RE: [Diy_efi] conversion questions
Question
What is the fuel PSI with the Ford pump?
I plan to put a 4.3L TBI (1227747) onto a Jeep 4.2L. I have a parts
vehicle, but still need an external fuel pump. Think the Ford will work?
Regards... Peter
"There are 3 types of Engineers..."
"Those that can count... and those that can't"
-----Original Message-----
From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]
On Behalf Of N Schnell
Sent: January 30, 2004 12:05 AM
To: A list for Do-It-Yourself EFI
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] conversion questions
A good cheap fix for a fuel pump is a Ford truck frame rail pump (not
the tank pump). They were used in the late 80's and early 90's. Cheap
and durable! Cut the tubing long and use the Ford connectors and pump
brackets. I slipped my OEM fuel line and filter over the Ford stubs and
welded them together. It was probably the easiest part of the swap.
I'm using stock 3/8 and 5/16 lines. I don't have any fuel delivery
issues at all.
I swapped a 90 camaro (730) into a 72 GMC 1/2 ton. My TPI was
originally a MAF system from a late 80's camaro. Changing the harness
around from MAF to speed density is possible, but it takes a bit of
work.
Hopes this helps.
clair.davis at charter.net wrote:
Hey, a local guy!
I'm new at this, too, and can't help at all on the drivetrain stuff, but
here's what I'm dealing with on my swap (7730 + TPI -> 340 + 69 Plymouth
Valiant):
Fuel delivery - seems that even a 5/16" line is OK for a return line,
I'm
going to 3/8" on the feed. If you've already got a 3/8" feed, you're
probably OK to use that as the feed unless you just want to have a
larger
line. I'm planning on using the aluminum tubing from Summit/Jegs and
some
AN adapters.
Fuel pump - The pump I have is a NAPA part, if I recall. I suspect it's
actually a reboxed Walbro or something. Here's another local (Garland)
guy
that sells fuel system parts:
http://www.autoperformanceengineering.com/
NOTE: you didn't mention it, but you'll probably have some fuel delivery
problems at low fuel levels in your stock tank if you're not planning
on!
some sort of sump or surge tank. Even some fuel cells have this problem.
There isn't any reservoir in EFI like there is in a carb (bowls), so if
the
pressure pump sucks air, it's not pushing anything until it recovers.
I'm
looking at a couple different types of surge tanks. Check the previous
posts for the last few weeks for details.
Harness - I'd like to know if there's an adapter for the Vette box, too.
I'll be mounting mine inside the car, but would like to be able to mount
it
in the engine bay. Not a big deal, I'm running out of space up there
quickly.
Hope that's some help,
Clair
69 Valiant (among other Mopars)
Fort Worth, TX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 8:42 PM
Subject: [Diy_efi] conversion questions
> Hi, I am new to the list, and am putting a 91 Vette engine (complete)
> into a 67 Camaro. I need s! ome advice on what all I need to do this.
> Here's my thinking, please giveme pointers (either links to projects
or
> reply).
>
> Fuel delivery - I plan to put a 69 Camaro sending unit in my stock
tank
> that has a return line, plumb 7/16 line from tank to EFI, and use
stock
> 3/8 as return.
>
> Fuel pump - need to know what reccommendations there are for inline
> pump.
>
> Harness - what models o F_body work for the 91 Vette setup? I have
seen
> 87 TPI MAF setup, but understand it wont work - what is
reccommendation
> here? New Aftermarket units are out of my budget.
>
> Computer - I'd like to use the 727 Vette unit, are connectors that go
on
> the 730 compatible, what changes are required to adapt?
>
> Throttle linkage - cabled from later model or Camaro 6-cyl (available
> new)
>
> ENgine relates - I know, this is the EFIlist, but some have addressed>
this I'm sure -
>
> I am planning to use the stock 91 vete flywheel with my orig muncie
and
> bell housing - what is required to adapt the original style to the
later
> model flywheel / one piece rear seal? Can I use original style 10-1/2
> clutch?
>
> Thanks for any help in advance.
>
> Michael H.
> North Richland Hills TX
>
>
>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The pump has nothing to do with the
pressure (unless it’s for a <span class=3DSpellE>carb</span>) =
that’s
the job of the regulator.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The E2000 or E2182 Masters pump =
will max
out about 90-95 <span class=3DSpellE>psi</span>. But that means nothing =
if it
only has to run at 12-14 <span class=3DSpellE>psi</span> on your TBI =
system.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It will work fine all day long. =
Been
running several for almost 2 years now.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org
[mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Peter Jonasson<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, January 30, =
2004
10:46 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'A list for =
Do-It-Yourself
EFI'<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Diy_efi] =
conversion
questions</span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
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lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:=
EN-CA'>What is the fuel PSI with the Ford pump?</span></font><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
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color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:=
EN-CA'>I plan to put a 4.3L TBI (1227747) onto a Jeep 4.2L. I have a =
parts
vehicle, but still need an external fuel pump. Think the Ford will =
work?</span></font><span
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-CA'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
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[mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>N Schnell<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> January 30, 2004 =
12:05 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> A list for =
Do-It-Yourself EFI<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Diy_efi] =
conversion
questions</span></font><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-CA'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-CA'> <o:p></o:p></spa=
n></font></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-CA'>A good =
cheap fix
for a fuel pump is a Ford truck frame rail pump (not the tank
pump). They were used in the late 80's and early 90's. Cheap =
and
durable! Cut the tubing long and use the Ford connectors and pump
brackets. I slipped my OEM fuel line and filter over the Ford =
stubs and
welded them together. It was probably the easiest part of the =
swap.
I'm using stock 3/8 and 5/16 lines. I don't have any fuel delivery =
issues
at all. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-CA'> <o:p></o:p></spa=
n></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-CA'>I =
swapped a 90
camaro (730) into a 72 GMC 1/2 ton. My TPI was originally a MAF =
system
from a late 80's camaro. Changing the harness around from MAF to =
speed
density is possible, but it takes a bit of =
work.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-CA'>Hopes =
this helps.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><i><span =
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-CA'>Hey, a =
local guy!<br>
I'm new at this, too, and can't help at all on the drivetrain stuff, =
but<br>
here's what I'm dealing with on my swap (7730 + TPI -> 340 + 69 =
Plymouth<br>
Valiant):<br>
Fuel delivery - seems that even a 5/16" line is OK for a return =
line, I'm<br>
going to 3/8" on the feed. If you've already got a 3/8" feed, =
you're<br>
probably OK to use that as the feed unless you just want to have a =
larger<br>
line. I'm planning on using the aluminum tubing from Summit/Jegs and =
some<br>
AN adapters.<br>
Fuel pump - The pump I have is a NAPA part, if I recall. I suspect =
it's<br>
actually a reboxed Walbro or something. Here's another local (Garland) =
guy<br>
that sells fuel system parts:<br>
http://www.autoperformanceengineering.com/<br>
NOTE: you didn't mention it, but you'll probably have some fuel =
delivery<br>
problems at low fuel levels in your stock tank if you're not planning =
on! <br>
some sort of sump or surge tank. Even some fuel cells have this =
problem.<br>
There isn't any reservoir in EFI like there is in a carb (bowls), so if =
the<br>
pressure pump sucks air, it's not pushing anything until it recovers. =
I'm<br>
looking at a couple different types of surge tanks. Check the =
previous<br>
posts for the last few weeks for details.<br>
Harness - I'd like to know if there's an adapter for the Vette box, =
too.<br>
I'll be mounting mine inside the car, but would like to be able to mount =
it<br>
in the engine bay. Not a big deal, I'm running out of space up there<br>
quickly.<br>
Hope that's some help,<br>
Clair<br>
69 Valiant (among other Mopars)<br>
Fort Worth, TX<br>
<br>
----- Original Message ----- <br>
From: "Michael" <br>
<MICHAELP.H at CHARTER.NET>To: <br>
<DIY_EFI at DIY-EFI.ORG>Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 8:42 PM<br>
Subject: [Diy_efi] conversion questions<br>
<br>
<br>
> Hi, I am new to the list, and am putting a 91 Vette engine =
(complete)<br>
> into a 67 Camaro. I need s! ome advice on what all I need to do =
this.<br>
> Here's my thinking, please giveme pointers (either links to =
projects or<br>
> reply).<br>
><br>
> Fuel delivery - I plan to put a 69 Camaro sending unit in my stock =
tank<br>
> that has a return line, plumb 7/16 line from tank to EFI, and use =
stock<br>
> 3/8 as return.<br>
><br>
> Fuel pump - need to know what reccommendations there are for =
inline<br>
> pump.<br>
><br>
> Harness - what models o F_body work for the 91 Vette setup? I have =
seen<br>
> 87 TPI MAF setup, but understand it wont work - what is =
reccommendation<br>
> here? New Aftermarket units are out of my budget.<br>
><br>
> Computer - I'd like to use the 727 Vette unit, are connectors that =
go on<br>
> the 730 compatible, what changes are required to adapt?<br>
><br>
> Throttle linkage - cabled from later model or Camaro 6-cyl =
(available<br>
> new)<br>
><br>
> ENgine relates - I know, this is the EFIlist, but some have =
addressed<B! R>>
this I'm sure -<br>
><br>
> I am planning to use the stock 91 vete flywheel with my orig muncie =
and<br>
> bell housing - what is required to adapt the original style to the =
later<br>
> model flywheel / one piece rear seal? Can I use original style =
10-1/2<br>
> clutch?<br>
><br>
> Thanks for any help in advance.<br>
><br>
> Michael H.<br>
> North Richland Hills TX<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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