[Diy_efi] H2 Powered Vehicle

[Kalmbach, Kevin D]

So called "cold fusion" was something not-fusion.  I don't want to call it a
hoax because some people got net-gain outputs from the cell, but it was more
like a superconductivity/fuel cell thing.  IE Molecular rather than Nuclear.
The neutron and heat emissions from "real" fusion of the number of atoms
involved, would be "vigorous" at that range.  

I find it interesting that superconductivity and the chemistry of H2 fuel
cells have so many related experiments with unexplainable but useable
results.  I bet there's something to it.

France has put a lot of effort into its Nuclear power infrastructure and is
very low carbon per KW while being a LARGE net exporter of electricity. 

The issue in electrical generation is economies of scale and power density.
Power distribution to a fixed lat/long is also part of the infrastructure,
but its sunk cost.  Fixed plant stuff is a great application for electric
power. Mobility requires portability.

This is the trade off of having enough people going the same place to make
mass transport efficient.

It's hard to transport a reactor.  But they are great for making thousands
of (cheap) megawatts 24x7.

to get the "free" energy in Nuclear power, you have to produce atoms closer
to 60au by either splitting big ones or welding small ones. This is complex
but it's to the point where it's MOSTLY an engineering problem.  If
electricity becomes cheap, portable and ubiquitous it will replace gasoline
for economic reasons alone. As I said before, Hydrogen has promise as a
working fluid to do just that.

**/Pontification_OFF/**
-----Original Message-----
From: Gianmarco Rizzo (BE/EAS) [mailto:gianmarco.rizzo at ericsson.com]
Sent: July 23, 2004 5:46 AM
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Subject: RE: [Diy_efi] H2 Powered Vehicle


still off-topic

i have heard that cold fusion is still a few decades away.

in the meanwhile, i think some goverment should get their acts together,
start working for the good of the country and not for their re-election and
should shut down all powerstations that burn fuel to produce electricity,
and reconvert heating systems to something different.

i heard that transport only accounts for some 25% of the fuel usage, the
rest going into electriciy and heat production. 

gm




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Sent: Donnerstag, 22. Juli 2004 21:03
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Subject: RE: [Diy_efi] H2 Powered Vehicle


Love 'em. I actually worked for a while at the U of Maryland's Plasma and
Fusion energy research lab. Did some time on an SSBN too. 

I like the Russian Tokomak model where they use the armature as a
transformer for the EM pulse and cycle the reactor similar to the way a 2
stroke engine works.  They got early stage break even in toroids, without
the pumping, but, as their economy tanked and the cold war ended a lot of
their research ended too. Too bad, they seemed to have some good science. 

As you noted it uses He rather then H. The Helium is coolant, shield and
fuel.
H causes embritlement and is harder to handle. Helium has to be mined like
petroleum so it is "free" but H2 Fusion is very energetic.  

There are a couple multi-stage fusions that can be initiated by using 2He5
instead of 2He4. Where the Helium goes to an unstable form of Beryllium then
that goes to an 8 or 16.  This is about where the energy per reaction drops
below break-even. There's also the option of using "Hydrogen" as Deuterium,
Tritium, or Lithium Deuteride (Basically, Lye made with Lithium and
Deuterium). 
 
I saw a paper that suggested a method of using a tiered environment where
the excess Neutrons were used to make heavy water (D2O)in a shield tank or
steam generator, then the Deuterium could be pulled off via electrolysis and
burned in the core.

I grew up in the 60's and 70's, I think sometimes the mainstream is wrong.
Yes it seems radical but I think cheap energy and a clean environment are a
great way to make the country strong and stable so my kids can have the
opportunities I have.  Besides, the more Deer there are, the better I eat.
The greenies want us to stop burning fuel and shut down the reactors.
Ummmm, Duh! It's just unworkable.  Some people like to feel guilty and won't
stop boo-hooing to engineer a solution.   

I live within 100 miles of 4 reactor sites.  I pay about $.035 per Kw/hour.
I'm honestly more worried about a dirty bomb up-wind in Washington DC than I
am about 3-mile island (same distance). TMI demonstrated that the way we do
things works.  Chernobyl showed how not to do things.

Sorry for being so off topic y'all. 

Lower, Faster, Lower, Faster

Kevin K


-----Original Message-----
From: bearbvd at mindspring.com [mailto:bearbvd at mindspring.com]
Sent: July 22, 2004 1:19 AM
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Subject: RE: [Diy_efi] Hydrogen Powered Vehicle


At 10:11 AM 7/21/04, Kalmbach, Kevin D wrote:
>
>In my opinion, which I am entitled to, at some point Hydrogen is likely to
>become the principal "working fluid" in vehicles.  This is due to high
power
>density and a variety of useful state changes and reactions. Not because it
>is a good fuel.  Consuming it would be bad because it's hard to distribute.
>
>Sorry this is so long. Flame away.
>
No flames from here, you are talking sensibly, but certainly NOT mainstream
!!

I would be you think highly of HTGR's (helium cooled nuclear fission
reactors) as well !! :-)

Greg


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