[Diy_efi] Question on Knock Sensors
don.broadus at exeloncorp.com
don.broadus at exeloncorp.com
Fri Feb 25 16:53:10 GMT 2005
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GM's 87- 90's mini vans intake manifold. Full size Vans under driver seat
with ECM. S10/ full size trucks/cars mounted on firewall. Might be behind
other module (firebird/camaro) Will have in big letters on paper tag "
HKR" Good hunting
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From: Rausch, Bernd [mailto:br at rnt.de]
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 3:59 AM
To: A list for Do-It-Yourself EFI
Subject: AW: [Diy_efi] Question on Knock Sensors
Sorry, I do not understand. Where do I get these modules and on what cars
are they used?
Bernd
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Von: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] Im
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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Februar 2005 15:38
An: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Betreff: RE: [Diy_efi] Question on Knock Sensors
AASS,HKD,HKM,HKR,BLN, AFWB,ANBZ
-----Original Message-----
From: Rausch, Bernd [mailto:br at rnt.de]
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 4:47 AM
To: A list for Do-It-Yourself EFI
Subject: AW: [Diy_efi] Question on Knock Sensors
Hi Don,
from what vehicles are these ext det modules? What is the latest module?
Best regards,
Bernd
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Von: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] Im
Auftrag von don.broadus at exeloncorp.com
Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Februar 2005 16:03
An: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Betreff: RE: [Diy_efi] Question on Knock Sensors
I have collected 14 different sensors for testing and have only found the DR
number or in the case of a Quad 4 10456209 number.
The last 4 digits are the date code. Usually the year and day of
manufacture (Julian Calendar). I have profiled the sensors by getting a 1/4
NPT pipe coupling and screwing one sensor in one end and another sensor in
the other end. I set up with 2 DR562 sensors. I applied a sine wave
from a HP 3324A to one sensor and looked at the output of the other sensor
with a Nicolet 440 scope. with 1 VPP amplitude I sweep the frequencies from
1Khz to 50 Khz The highest amplitude was always at 6 Khz. Of the 14
sensors I tested they all responded the same. I concluded that the sensors
are not all that different and could be interchanged.I then tested 9
external det modules from AASS,HKD,HKR,BLN,ANBZ ect. The output is 10 volt
until between 4 Khz and 12 Khz the output would go low . Again 6 Khz was the
sweet spot.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Dowell [mailto:dowelljd at alltel.net]
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:22 PM
To: A list for Do-It-Yourself EFI
Subject: [Diy_efi] Question on Knock Sensors
Hi All,
I went to the junk yard to gather parts and pulled several knock sensors off
of Chevy Suburbans with 350 CID engines.
When I got back to the house with them and cleaned them up, none have the GM
numbers that are listed as being for 350s. In fact, all the sensors have a
number that starts with DR-699-#### where the # is a number. In addition,
all of them have different numbers for the last 4 numbers (####).
Can anyone out there tell me what these numbers are for? Do you have a
cross reference to the GM part #'s.
Thanks for the help.
Dave
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size=2> GM's 87- 90's mini vans intake manifold. Full size Vans
under driver seat with ECM. S10/ full size trucks/cars mounted on
firewall. Might be behind other module
(firebird/camaro) Will have in big letters on paper tag
" HKR" Good
hunting </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Rausch, Bernd
[mailto:br at rnt.de]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 25, 2005 3:59
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[Diy_efi] Question on Knock Sensors<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
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understand. Where do I get these modules and on what cars are they
used?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Im Auftrag von
</SPAN></B>don.broadus at exeloncorp.com<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Gesendet:</SPAN></B> Mittwoch, 23. Februar 2005
15:38<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">An:</SPAN></B>
diy_efi at diy-efi.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Betreff:</SPAN></B>
RE: [Diy_efi] Question on Knock Sensors</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">AASS,HKD,HKM,HKR,BLN,
AFWB,ANBZ</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Rausch,
Bernd [mailto:br at rnt.de]<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, February 23, 2005 4:47
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> A list for
Do-It-Yourself EFI<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
AW: [Diy_efi] Question on Knock Sensors</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
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Don,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">from what vehicles
are these ext det modules? What is the latest
module?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Best
regards,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Im Auftrag von
</SPAN></B>don.broadus at exeloncorp.com<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Gesendet:</SPAN></B> Dienstag, 22. Februar 2005
16:03<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">An:</SPAN></B>
diy_efi at diy-efi.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Betreff:</SPAN></B> RE: [Diy_efi] Question on
Knock Sensors</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have collected 14
different sensors for testing and have only found the DR number or in the
case of a Quad 4 10456209 number.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The last 4 digits
are the date code. Usually the year and day of manufacture
(Julian Calendar). I have profiled the sensors by getting a 1/4 NPT
pipe coupling and screwing one sensor in one end and another sensor in the
other end. I set up with 2 DR562
sensors. I applied a sine wave from a HP 3324A to one sensor and looked at
the output of the other sensor with a Nicolet 440 scope. with 1 VPP
amplitude I sweep the frequencies from 1Khz to 50 Khz The highest
amplitude was always at 6 Khz. Of the
14 </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">sensors I tested
they all responded the same. I concluded that the sensors are not all that
different and could be interchanged.I then tested 9 external det modules
from AASS,HKD,HKR,BLN,ANBZ ect. The output is 10 volt
until between 4 Khz and 12 Khz the output would go low . Again 6 Khz
was the sweet spot. </SPAN></FONT> <FONT face=Arial
color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE
style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm"><P
class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> David
Dowell [mailto:dowelljd at alltel.net]<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, February 21, 2005 8:22
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> A list for
Do-It-Yourself EFI<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Diy_efi] Question on Knock
Sensors</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi
All,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I went to the junk yard to
gather parts and pulled several knock sensors off of Chevy Suburbans with
350 CID engines.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">When I got back to the house
with them and cleaned them up, none have the GM numbers that are listed as
being for 350s. In fact, all the sensors have a number that starts
with DR-699-#### where the # is a number. In addition, all of them
have different numbers for the last 4 numbers (####).
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Can anyone out there tell me
what these numbers are for? Do you have a cross reference to the GM
part #'s.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks for the
help.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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