[Diy_efi] New TBI install in older car

Frank McCracken frankmccracken at shaw.ca
Sun Jan 16 01:52:08 GMT 2005


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Well my 7747 based TBI system is all installed. Nice neat install. =
Modified oem harness. All conections crimped, soldered, shrink tubed. I =
am not a novice with wiring but this is my first TBI converstion to an =
older car. Hit the key and naturally no start.=20
Checking some voltages from the ECM, it seems that most of the leads =
that are supposed to have voltages under 12v with the key on do not. =
Example:=20
A4 9V-not, actual  0V
A8 2-5V,    actual .6V=20
A9 5V,        actual .6V
C10 1.9V,  actual .6V
C11 4.9V, actual   0V  =20
C13 .6V,   actual   0V
B1  12V,    actual  .2V     [Fuel pump system removed]
B5    9V,    actual  .1V
B7    9V,    actual 8.6V
 Injector leads full time 12V with key on from remote additional =
[relayed] fuse box on fire wall that powers entire system. HEI power, =
ECM power A5. [are there any other power leads to the ECM?]
Fuel pump [toggle switched] is a Ford frame mount 95psi to a modified =
pressure reg, shows 15psi on guage. =20
The changes I have made were: Un-pin and remove all fuel pump related =
circuits and EGR related.Park/Neutral lead grounded to chassis. ECM case =
not grounded to chassis. Have spark. Seems no fuel spray.
Pour gas in TB and tries to start.
The car is in a cold garage, Fully charged batt but alternator removed =
for service. Because of ambient temp the eng spins a little slow on the =
starter but not bad.  =20
On further trouble shooting I jumped "A" & "B" on the "aldl". No codes =
at all.=20
Help please. Hope there is enough info for some advanced guy to help me.

Thanks,   Frank.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well my 7747 based TBI system is all =
installed.=20
Nice neat install. Modified oem harness.&nbsp;All conections crimped, =
soldered,=20
shrink tubed. I am not a novice with wiring but this is my =
first&nbsp;TBI=20
converstion to&nbsp;an older car.&nbsp;Hit the key and naturally no =
start.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Checking some voltages from the ECM, it =
seems that=20
most of the&nbsp;leads that are supposed to have voltages under 12v with =
the key=20
on do not. Example: </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff>A4</FONT>&nbsp;9V-<FONT=20
color=3D#ff0000>not</FONT>, actual &nbsp;0V</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>A8 </FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>2-5V,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; actual .6V&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>A9 <FONT=20
color=3D#000000>5V,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; actual=20
.6V</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><FONT =
color=3D#000000><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff>C10 </FONT></FONT><FONT color=3D#000000>1.9V,&nbsp; =
actual=20
.6V</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><FONT =
color=3D#000000><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff>C11 </FONT></FONT><FONT color=3D#000000>4.9V, =
actual&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
0V&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>C13&nbsp;<FONT=20
color=3D#000000>.6V,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;actual&nbsp;&nbsp; =
0V</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>B1&nbsp;<FONT=20
color=3D#000000>&nbsp;12V,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; actual&nbsp;=20
.2V&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [Fuel pump system =
removed]</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>B5<FONT=20
color=3D#000000>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 9V,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; actual&nbsp;=20
.1V</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>B7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
<FONT=20
color=3D#000000>9V,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; actual 8.6V</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;Injector leads full time 12V with =
key on from=20
remote additional [relayed]&nbsp;fuse box on fire wall that powers =
entire=20
system. HEI power, ECM power <FONT color=3D#0000ff>A5. </FONT><FONT=20
color=3D#000000>[are there any other power leads to the =
ECM?]</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Fuel pump [toggle switched]&nbsp;is a =
Ford frame=20
mount 95psi to a modified pressure reg, shows 15psi on guage.=20
</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The changes I have made were: Un-pin =
and remove all=20
fuel pump related circuits and EGR related.Park/Neutral lead grounded to =

chassis. ECM case not grounded to chassis. Have spark. Seems no fuel=20
spray.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Pour gas in TB and tries to =
start.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The car is in a cold garage, Fully =
charged batt=20
but&nbsp;alternator removed for service. Because of ambient temp the eng =
spins a=20
little slow on the starter but not bad.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On further trouble shooting I =
jumped&nbsp;"A" &amp;=20
"B" on the "aldl". No codes at all.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Help please. Hope there is enough info =
for some=20
advanced guy to help me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Frank.</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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