Fw: [Diy_efi] Greenfire re: Smart Plugs - anybody actually looked?

[dh at busb.com]

Then I would ask you and the Army if you've ever heard of a buzz box?  You know that device that was put on the Model T's for ignition purposes.  It just kept putting out sparks asynchronously until one of them happened to ignite the fuel mixture in the combustion chamber.  The low RPM engine had multiple sparks and the fuel would ignite before optimum firing time and burn very slowly until the compression came up and the combustion speed increased.  The timing of the engine was actually determined by compression pressure.  Problem was that the timing changed due to fuel, throttle opening and a number of other FIRST ORDER factors.

A HUGE improvement was timed ignition, such that the engine had a consistent firing point.  That point was the same whether the fuel changed, the compression changed or other FIRST ORDER factors.  This allowed the development of high compression engines which would otherwise ignite too soon with sometimes disasterous results.  Compression ratio is the primary consideration in fuel efficiency,  not a first order factor, THE first order factor. 

To the military, shame on you.  Get an engineer.  Understand the basics.

Questions:  

When will Bobby Yates Emory receive his set of plugs?

Where is the documentation that the military received?

What is the relationship between you and Ernest Buckler <ebuckler at icehouse.net>?

You have made public claims in an effort to attract investors.  Now you should step up to the plate with your actual claims.

For those who have not read the patents, the object is to embed an ignition device inside a pipe.  Druing continuous operation, the contents of the pipe will be burnt gases which cannot be burned.  Compression fills the chamber with burnable gas which is ignited when the burnt gasses are compressed into the chamber to the pint that the burnable gas comes into contact with the ignitor.

The first order effects will be the total depth of the pipe and the position of the ignitor.  Might work great over a small range of conditions, but there doesn't seem to be any method for compensating for RPM, load, fuel quality and so forth.  Very ingeneous method for retarding timing in an ICE with what is essentially a glow plug.

Sort of like the advance retard on a distributor, not needed for racing, indispensable for road operation.

Sort of like the low speed retard, not as important on a starter equipped engine, but indispensable on a hand cranked engine.  (This last one was just for the humor - but true.)

Sort of like a detonation detector, VERY important in a high efficiency (high compression) engine when the gas truck mixes up the tanks at the local station. (no humor here.)

Yeah, I looked and think I sort of understood.  Did I go wrong somewhere?

Now for a "I don't understand" question.  I don't understand how the burning gasses are splayed into the combustion chamber when the deepest volume contains already burned gasses that are already hot and have no combustion products.

Once you've understood the mechanical advantage of the wheel and axle combination, it's hard to understand why one would go back to rolling over logs.

You may wonder about my extended response.  It is the reference to 9/11.My opinion is that the problem with Smart Plugs is the same problem with the buzz box.  They don't work as well as current solutions.  To blame that on 9-11 is a sad, sad excuse for an intelligent marketing approach.

Military money has bloomed since 9/11.  The requirements for sanity in military purchasing have diminished since 9-11.  There is now more money than ever before for startups.  This government seems to throw any amount of money to gadgets when they should be giving more money to the soldiers, in particular those that have been injured, instead of gadgets that seem to be inferior to existing technology.

Bobby, my original response was too long and must wait for approval.  I stripped some of the extra stuff from this one.  I did, however like your response to me and think you should post it

dh

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: SmartPlugs 
  To: dh at busb.com 
  Cc: Bobby Yates Emory ; diy_efi at diy-efi.org 
  Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 2:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Greenfire re: Smart Plugs - anybody actually looked?


  I am not part of this list, I am just responding to questions asked by Bobby Yates Emory.

  Sincerely,

  Mark Cherry

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: dh at busb.com 
    To: SmartPlugs 
    Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 6:49 AM
    Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Greenfire re: Smart Plugs - anybody actually looked?


    Then what are you looking for on this list?

    dh
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: SmartPlugs 
      To: dh at busb.com ; Bobby Yates Emory ; diy_efi at diy-efi.org 
      Cc: Gary at smartplugs.com ; diy_efi at diy-efi.org 
      Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 11:36 PM
      Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Greenfire re: Smart Plugs - anybody actually looked?


      Dear Dh,

      Patents are public information and freely available to the public.  Simply go to www.uspto.gov and type Mark A. Cherry in the in the inventor's name and search.   This should bring up all the patent numbers.

      Don't worry about the investors - the SEC has very strict rules on seeking investment and I would definitely not look for investors on this list.

      Sincerely,

      Mark Cherry
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: dh at busb.com 
        To: Bobby Yates Emory ; diy_efi at diy-efi.org ; SmartPlugs 
        Cc: Gary at smartplugs.com ; diy_efi at diy-efi.org 
        Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 7:22 PM
        Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Greenfire re: Smart Plugs - anybody actually looked?


        You know, if you would give the international and other patent numbers there might be some funding.  And the whole concept of patents is to get the information out to people.  All people and all the information is the patent requirement.  Just the patent numbers are all that is required.

        Come on, get serious - I don't believe that you will get any investors from this list.  Try one of the money for nothing lists or I just made $200,000 last month for setting on my @#$ lists because I sent in $19.95 in 5 easy payments.

        Put up, or shut up.

        dh
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Bobby Yates Emory 
          To: SmartPlugs 
          Cc: Gary at smartplugs.com ; diy_efi at diy-efi.org 
          Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 11:07 PM
          Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Greenfire re: Smart Plugs - anybody actually looked?


          Mark,

          Thank you for your forthright reply.

          Good luck with your search for private placement investors.

          I am still wanting a set.

          Please pass along to your marketing team that internet marketing can be incredibly inespensive.  If they start collecting email addresses, when you announce production start-up, they will have a list of customers ready to go.

          Bobby


          On 7/4/05, SmartPlugs <info at smartplugs.com> wrote: 
            Dear Sirs:

            We have been, for the last three years, working on a US Army Funded SBIR program that will allow the army to use the SmartPlug technology to run Carbureted Honda Generators on JP-8 ( military jet A)  and on #2 Diesel.  We current are under the third SBIR Contract or Phase II Plus.  We have delivered 5 generators to the army for their testing and evaluation.  The military does not spend millions of dollars on a technology that is a scam, but rather they have seen with their own eyes the ability of the SmartPlug to precisely time any internal combustion engine with a constantly hot catalyst.  We can rope start these 8.5:1 generators at -25F in one to two pulls and reach rated power with out detonation.  Our exhaust is transparent and as clean or cleaner than the factory spark and gasoline operation.  

            We can't sell product on a large scale until we have raise the proper funding to build the factory.  We have been seeking such funding since 2000.  At Oshkosh 2001, we thought we had fully funded our company.  But after 9/11 all of the promised investment disappeared.  It might come as a surprise to you, but building a SmartPlug factory is a multimillion dollar undertaking and without the factory, we can only build SmartPlugs on a custom order basis and that is painstakingly slow and costly.

            We have 5 international patents on our technology and are working with several major players in the automotive industry and are also discussing with several aircraft companies.

            I would love to be able to sell SmartPlugs to all who want them too, but post 9/11 I am just thankful that our patents are still enforce and that we are still here, unlike so many other start-up companies that are not.

            The bottom line is that the product works.  We are driving a Olds Quad 4 with SmartPlugs, have an STC on the O-200 in progress and we are preparing to go into production with Honda Generators converted to operate on JP-8 and Diesel using the SmartPlug Technology.  At the University of Idaho, we have a Ford 351 van running on 35% water and 65% ethanol and also a yanmar diesel converted to run on Homogeneous mixtures of air and 35%water and 65% ethanol.  We are struggling but we are planning to go into production for certain niche markets after we have raised the capital for the factory.  Perhaps your group might be the source of our factory financing?  Do you have any accredited investors who would like to review our Private Placement Memorandum?  If so, availability of SmartPlugs might be sooner than you think.

            Sincerely,

            Mark Cherry
            Chairman
            Smartplugs Corporation
            (208)265-2723
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