[Diy_efi] CS Failure

Tom Visel five10man
Tue Nov 29 16:51:24 UTC 2005


I've gone with what fit the housing, mainly, since the form factor is a 
little different than a regular lamp.  IIRC, the 12-element lamps are 
plenty bright, especially in multi-lamp applications.  Be sure of your 
current bulb number, and have a peek at your housings to see if you 
might have any interference issues.  If you have differently-colored 
turn and brake lamps (sorry, can't visualize yours right now,) you'll 
want the bulbs to match the lens color - the lamps only put out one 
color, so they can't be filtered into the "correct" color like a regular 
bulb.  You'll probably want tail lamps of all the same element count, so 
that the luminosity is the same across the back of your car.  Otherwise, 
you look like a Volvo or Lexus.
TomV

Daniel R. Nicoson wrote:

> Tom,
>  
> I was just taking a look at the web site with the LED bulbs.  What do 
> you recommend for stop lights versus tail lights.  19 LED for stop, 12 
> LED for tail?  Wide angle or narrow angle?
>  
> Looks like some choices, just wanted to hear what you've found to work 
> best.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
>
> Dan Nicoson
>  
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     *From:* diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org
>     [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]*On Behalf Of *Daniel R. Nicoson
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:34 AM
>     *To:* diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>     *Subject:* RE: [Diy_efi] CS Failure
>
>     Tom,
>      
>     That's the best help I've had on this issue.  The E-39 discussion
>     group I listen in on doesn't have any solutions when I ask on this
>     one.
>      
>     I'll take a look at those two solutions.
>      
>     Thanks!
>      
>     Dan Nicoson
>      
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         *From:* diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org
>         [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]*On Behalf Of *Tom Visel
>         *Sent:* Monday, November 28, 2005 11:07 PM
>         *To:* diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>         *Subject:* Re: [Diy_efi] CS Failure
>
>         Most likely you have a bad Lamp Control Module.  It's located
>         in the forward power distribution box under the hood, and it's
>         about the size of a box of cigarettes, with a 32-pin
>         connector.  It controls current flow to all of the exterior
>         lights that aren't headlamps, so if you're smoking bulbs, it's
>         probably the culprit.  If you have non-stock HID headlamps or
>         high-wattage bulbs in your headlamps, it tends to kill this
>         idiot box, which gets its power from the headlamp system.
>
>         Bad news:  The modules cost mega bucks, and there are many
>         different part numbers to make JY hunting harder.  Good news: 
>         You can install LED replacements for your taillamps, for less
>         money than the module.  The LED lamps will have a current
>         limiting resistor in them so they won't accept extra current
>         and die if the module is getting stupid.  You have an
>         electronic flasher (hope it never dies, it's spendy too!) so
>         your bulb flash rate shouldn't vary; however, if it does, you
>         can get a 6 ohm, 50W resistor and place it in parallel with
>         the LED turn signal bulb and restore your previous flash
>         rate.  I buy LED lamps from
>         http://www.superbrightleds.com/1157.htm   Good service, good
>         product, good selection, haven't had one die yet.
>         .
>         Hope this helps!
>         TomV
>
>
>         Daniel R. Nicoson wrote:
>
>>         Tom,
>>          
>>         I have a 1998 BMW 540 that eats one or two rear taillights
>>         each month.  I've never seen anything like it in over 20
>>         years of car ownership and 19 cars.  The battery is in the
>>         trunk, I assume all power goes forward to the engine before
>>         coming back to the taillight assemblies.
>>          
>>         I did put my oscilloscope on the car once to see if there
>>         were any weird spikes, didn't see anything.
>>          
>>         I've cleaned all the bulb sockets, cleaned the multipin
>>         connectors, even tried conducting grease at the contact
>>         points.  Still loose one or two bulbs each month.  Any ideas
>>         here?
>>          
>>         I'd drive it into your shop and pay for a proper diagnosis if
>>         you're anywhere close to western Pennsylvania!
>>          
>>         Thanks,
>>          
>>         Dan Nicoson
>>          
>>
>>             -----Original Message-----
>>             *From:* diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org
>>             [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]*On Behalf Of *Tom Visel
>>             *Sent:* Monday, November 28, 2005 12:38 PM
>>             *To:* diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>             *Subject:* Re: [Diy_efi] CS Failure
>>
>>             I own a repair shop specializing in electrical and
>>             driveability diagnosis and repair.  If my shop had no
>>             overhead, I could probably retire on the income I make
>>             from alternators which other shops (or customers)
>>             installed and had die on them due to high resistance in
>>             the output circuit.   Intermittent or poor lamp circuit
>>             (L terminal) connections will cause intermittent
>>             no-charge problems.  Poor or no connection at the sense
>>             (S terminal, the big one in the regulator connector) may
>>             cause the alternator to undercharge, but rarely to
>>             overcharge or burn out.  What burns out CS-series (and
>>             indeed, all) alternators is heat.  Internal heat, cause
>>             by overwork because the alt can't charge the battery
>>             properly and/or can't monitor the battery's state of
>>             charge.  To diagnose your vehicle:
>>
>>             With a fresh known good alternator and a fully charged
>>             battery (12.66 V or better) installed, check the voltage
>>             drop on the positive and negative sides of the charging
>>             circuit.  To do this, get the alternator under a good
>>             load: engine running, lights on, heater blower and A/C
>>             running, cooling fans going if you have them.  If you
>>             have an ammeter, clamp type or no, measure the current
>>             flow through the system.  Positive or negative side will
>>             be the same, and be sure to include all of the wires at
>>             the battery in your measurement if using a clamp-type
>>             probe.  Note the reading.
>>
>>             While the engine is still running, using your DVOM,
>>             measure the voltage between the alternator case (the case
>>             thru-screws are good candidates) and the battery negative
>>             terminals.  Note the reading.  Now measure the voltage
>>             between the battery positive terminal and the alternator
>>             output stud.  Note the reading.  If you got negative
>>             readings, ignore the sign.  It's the number that counts.
>>
>>             Total your two voltage readings.  This is the "voltage
>>             drop" in the charging circuit.  It is a reflection of the
>>             resistance in the circuit - resistance which will put a
>>             long-term strain on your alternator's diodes and overheat
>>             and kill them.  If you get a total of greater than 0.1
>>             Volt per 10 Amps of alternator output, that is too much
>>             voltage drop and the connections and/or wires and cables
>>             will need to be improved.  For a standard 105 amp CS130,
>>             10 gauge wire straight to the battery, with a 14 gauge
>>             fusible link, is sufficient.  For a "high output"
>>             alternator, 8 gauge with a 12 gauge fusible link is
>>             recommended.  Also, you can't have too many grounds. 
>>             Besides keeping your alternator alive, quality grounds
>>             (less than .050 volts drop) will help stave off computer
>>             stupidity.  You would be astonished at the number of
>>             vehicles that leave my shop with a sub-$150 repair
>>             (diagnosis, labor, parts, tax) when other shops told the
>>             customer that s/he needed a new ECM or a stack of new
>>             sensors.
>>
>>             TomV
>>
>>             Clayton Martiniuk wrote:
>>
>>>             Hello, I have an 1994 Chevy 350 that Keeps eating
>>>             alternators for some reason. They seem to work for about
>>>             two days and then shit out. I have a cs series
>>>             alternator powered with one exciter/indicator wire at
>>>             the F terminal. Looking at the indicator bulb, I'll
>>>             start the truck, the light will go off for a while but
>>>             turn back on intermittently. I heard that these years of
>>>             trucks seem to have a problem. Some say to ground the
>>>             back of the case to the batt but I dont see how on mine.
>>>             I am probably close to duty cycle but no major power
>>>             drains. It gets very cold here around -20 to -50. I am
>>>             running an electric fuel pump. I am running an red top
>>>             optima with 800 cca. Does this Battery require special
>>>             needs? Is the answer an larger amperage generator or am
>>>             I doing something wrong?
>>>             I am sick of buying alternators and no one can seem to
>>>             figure out whats happening.
>>>                                                             Thank
>>>             you for your time
>>>                                             Clayton Martiniuk
>>>
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