[Diy_efi] Audi CSI with ECM update?
Uo Park
uopark
Sun Feb 5 09:52:35 UTC 2006
thx bobby, i will have a look.
>From: Bobby Yates Emory <liberty1 at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Audi CSI with ECM update?
>Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 03:36:22 -0500
>
>Simon,
>
>I have not used one, but there are plenty of people who have. Other
>than the sensor that is built onto the circuit board, I don't think it
>requires many.
>
>There are people selling assembled Megasguirts for $500, but I believe
>you can build you own for half that.
>
>Good luck,
>Bobby
>
>On 2/5/06, Uo Park <uopark at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Bobby,
> >
> > Thx for your comment. i had a look at the Megasguirt 2 before, and i was
> > very interested too. I would really like to try one of that. Do you have
>any
> > experience of using one of them? do i need to have all the sensors it
> > required? how much would a whole system cost?
> >
> >
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > >From: Bobby Yates Emory <liberty1 at gmail.com>
> > >Reply-To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > >To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > >Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Audi CSI with ECM update?
> > >Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 02:01:14 -0500
> > >
> > >Simon and Ernie,
> > >
> > >Unless you relish the challenge, you may want to look into the
> > >Megasguirt 2. They have a controller that is a partial kit. You can
> > >assemble it and there are probably some people who have already
> > >adapted it to a similar car.
> > >
> > >Bobby
> > >
> > >On 2/5/06, Uo Park <uopark at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Ernie,
> > > >
> > > > Glad to hear from you.
> > > > i'm confidence that we can make it happen. because i'm an electrical
> > > > engineer programming and all the electronic is not an issue for me.
> > >however,
> > > > i'm lack of machnical knowledge, this is the only thing holding me.
> > > > a flow rate control module can be complex sometime. however, if you
>look
> > >at
> > > > how the fuel distributor works at the CIS , u will see how simple it
>is.
> > >i
> > > > was thinking to use a stepper motor to control the position of a
> > >circular
> > > > like plunger that control the fuel flow inside a circular tube. on
>the
> > >other
> > > > side of the flow controller is a fuel rail connecting all 5 cis
> > >injectors.
> > > > the input of the programmed controller are air flow, engine speed,
> > >engine
> > > > temp., may be load and throttle position as well. some other input
>such
> > >as
> > > > air temp. can be possible too.
> > > > i have a 90 Quattro 2.2L. it has cis system. i'm sure the engine
> > >performance
> > > > would incease since the air measure plate create a lot of counter
> > >pressure
> > > > to the air intake.
> > > >
> > > > Simon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Ernest Buckler" <ebuckler at icehouse.net>
> > > > >Reply-To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > > > >To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> > > > >Subject: [Diy_efi] Audi CSI with ECM update?
> > > > >Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:07:45 -0800
> > > > >
> > > > >Simon,
> > > > >Sounds good to me - anything to get control all in one unit,
>instead of
> > > > >half
> > > > >mechanical and half electronic as my '89 Audi 200 is right now.
>And
> > >be
> > > > >able to data-log, and see & tune from a map of settings.
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm a good mechanical and plumbing guy, have a decent shop, can TIG
> > >weld
> > > > >and
> > > > >silver solder, etc., and can do good wiring, but as far as EFI
>theory
> > >goes,
> > > > >I'm a no more than a parts changer so far.
> > > > >
> > > > >If you know how to make or design the fuel rate module, I'm in for
>the
> > > > >parts
> > > > >that I can contribute.
> > > > >
> > > > >Let's me know what's involved, this sounds pretty good.
> > > > >
> > > > >Ernie
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Uo Park" <uopark at hotmail.com>
> > > > >To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> > > > >Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 5:00 PM
> > > > >Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Pulsing a K-jet cold start injector?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Ernie,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > are you still interested at converting CIS to EFI? I'm
>interested to
> > > > > > develope my own system too.
> > > > > > there are two options.
> > > > > > 1. replace all the cis injectors to induction injector, this
>option
> > >cost
> > > > >a
> > > > > > lot and more works need to be done.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. this is my idea type. instead of replacing all the injector,
>i
> > >will
> > > > >keep
> > > > > > the cis injector, but make a electroncal controlled fuel flow
>rate
> > > > >module.
> > > > > > the flow rate is controlled by a programmed controller. this is
>to
> > >avoid
> > > > >the
> > > > > > costly injector and complex triggering circuit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > if still interested, we can work together and get it done.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Simon
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "Ernest Buckler" <ebuckler at icehouse.net>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > > > > > >To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Pulsing a K-jet cold start injector?
> > > > > > >Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:32:41 -0800
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Jeff,
> > > > > > >Any chance you've converted one of these Audis to full EFI?
>The
> > >CIS is
> > > > >OK
> > > > > > >when it works, but crazy when some little problem makes it act
>up.
> > > > >I'm
> > > > > > >ready to convert my '89 200!
> > > > > > >Ernie
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: jeff matthews
> > > > > > > To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:51 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Pulsing a K-jet cold start injector?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks, didn't realize that...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kinda funny too cause in my driveway is 3 Audis, 2 87's and
>a
> > >89,
> > > > >(all
> > > > > > >5KQT's)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > JEFF
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: Torbj?rn Forsman <torbjorn.forsman at gengas.nu>
> > > > > > > Reply-To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > > > > > > To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Pulsing a K-jet cold start
>injector?
> > > > > > > Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:07:43 +0100
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> > > > > > > In fact, there are some factory applications where the
>cold
> > >start
> > > > > > >injector of a K-jetronic or KE-jetronic system is pulsed. For
> > >example,
> > > > >some
> > > > > > >of Audi's turbocharged 5-cylinder engines from the mid 80's.
>There,
> > >the
> > > > > > >cold start injector is pulsed during hot starts in order to
>avoid
> > >the
> > > > >risk
> > > > > > >of starting problems due to a vapor lock somewhere in the fuel
> > >metering
> > > > > > >arrangement.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyway, i don't think the long-term reliability of a such
> > >injector
> > > > >in
> > > > > > >pulsed mode would be a problem. Probably, the interior parts
>are
> > > > >identical
> > > > > > >to a normal Bosch injector.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best regards
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Torbj?rn Forsman
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > jeff matthews wrote:
> > > > > > > >NO, But I did use it connected to a 12V adjustable boost
> > >switch,
> > > > >and
> > > > > > > >adjusted boost up accordingly :) [as an extra injector]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Best regards,
> > > > > > > >JEFF
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
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> > > > > > > > Subject: /[Diy_efi] Pulsing a K-jet cold start
> > >injector?/
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> > > > > > > > Has anyone tried to PWM the cold start injector of
>an
> > >old
> > > > > > > >K-jetronic
> > > > > > > > (CIS) FI?
> > > > > > > > And if anyone has, how are the opening/closing times
>and
> > >any
> > > > > > > >ideas
> > > > > > > > about the
> > > > > > > > durability in pulsation mode?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
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