[Diy_efi] Megasquirt

[Avery Nisbet]

It is very hard to call ether of these projects fully open source.  Im
still waiting for a project that applies the GPL to everything both
hardware and software.

At one time you could download the board and the software from VEMS
without any NDA.
I think the old board that could not control a Wideband is there
somewhere if you dig.  I have not been following that project much in
the last three years or so.

I would also like a project to use a more modern MCU maybe an ARM or something.

-Avery

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Fred Cooke <fred.cooke at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh yes, you're right, I forgot, they (VEMS) ripped off Innovates ideas too!
> Very ethical people the VEMS crowd ;-)
>
> Sure, ms might be a rip off of GM stuff, great, I'm not a fan of MegaSquirt
> AT ALL. However, to say MS is as closed or open as VEMS is false. VEMS is
> markedly more closed, no download link, no simple conditions, NDA, etc, that
> IS far more closed, period.
>
> Fred.
>
> On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Avery Nisbet <anisbet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Fred, thats a lot like the Pot calling the kettle black. ?Megasquirt
>> is really just a rip off of the GM ecms then.
>> The code is so similar that you can use megatune's autotune automated
>> tuning on the GM code58 based bins.
>>
>> Vems is just as open or closed as Megasquirt. ?Bowling and Gripo
>> charge for the right to produce the PCB's.
>> Bowling and Gripo also keep the source to Megasquirt in assembly
>> langage all in one file. ?This makes changing it nearly impossible.
>> I have a few copies of the Jan-2002 issue of Circuit Celler which has
>> the article written by Bowling and Gripo that started the whole
>> megasquirt project. ?It outlines all the major parts of the code and
>> hardware. It's a great howto on writing your own EMS.
>> I think the VEMS project is just trying to protect their work on
>> IONSENSE or possible protect themselves from the owners of those
>> patents.
>>
>>
>> -Avery
>> 2011/2/19 Fred Cooke <fred.cooke at gmail.com>:
>> > WHOA, wait a second... VEMS is NOT open source, you need to sign an NDA
>> > to
>> > get the source. VEMS started life as a rip off of megasquirt, recoding
>> > the
>> > assembly code into C for the AVR (MegasquirtAVR), it was cleanly written
>> > and
>> > marked as "free" but because it was a stolen design the only thing free
>> > about it was that it wasnt on US soil... (couldnt be sued). Soon after
>> > that
>> > others got involved and it became very much non-free, if you can provide
>> > a
>> > current download link to the source, with appropriate licenses, I will
>> > bend
>> > over and kiss your arse ;-) I'm not a fan of arse, though, so I must be
>> > pretty damn sure that you're wrong to make that statement.
>> >
>> > If you want something Free and Open Source (FOSS) have a google, there
>> > are
>> > several projects, mine included.
>> >
>> > Fred.
>> >
>> > On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 5:10 AM, L.J.J. Martens <ljj.martens at home.nl>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Mitch,
>> >>
>> >> because of the flexability (turbocharging a four cylinder European
>> >> Ford) I
>> >> went the way of an aftermarket ecu. Instead of Megasquirt I used VEMS
>> >> instead. It comes with a harnes if you like.
>> >> VEMS is open source.
>> >> Check it out on http://www.vems.hu/.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Laurens
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ,----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Mitch Barrie" <mitch at mesatactical.com>
>> >> To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
>> >> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 11:47 PM
>> >> Subject: [Diy_efi] Megasquirt
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >I have been mulling a project for some time (over a decade) and am not
>> >> > sure where to start.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have a ZZ4 crate motor that I have long wanted to convert to EFI.
>> >> > There are kits available from people like Holley and Edelbrock for
>> >> > this
>> >> > application, but I am more interested in using a standard GM TPI
>> >> > intake
>> >> > and manifold. ?I could also use the factory electronics, but lately I
>> >> > have been wondering whether using something like Megasquirt might
>> >> > make
>> >> > it a little easier of a project. ?On the one hand, the factory set-up
>> >> > is
>> >> > complete, but will require a lot of noodling around to get right. ?On
>> >> > the other, the Megasquirt might offer a little more flexibility.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Mitch
>> >> >
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