[Diy_efi] Diy_efi Digest, Vol 5, Issue 1
Paul D. Donovan
pddonovan
Thu Jan 5 02:28:10 UTC 2012
Allow me to clarify (Add to the confusion!) some of the information I just read. Then west exhaust devices are no longer called Mufflers, they are called After-Filters with Resonators! I work in the Diesel Field and have one of everything in my yard right now on the Garbage Trucks I service. I have AFs with their own computers, they use a separate fuel pump and injector to shoot atomized diesel into the muffler as you drive under maximum load. They fail constantly. Then I have the 'Plug-in' variety, this type of AF gets full to the point of causing back pressure in the exhaust system and sets-off a flashing light. When your light flashes you drive into the yard and up to one of the plugs on the out side of the building. Stop, shut-off the truck, shut-off the batteries and plug-in a 208 volt plug. Shortly afterward you can hear a pump start to growl and diesel is injected into the AF onto a hot coil that makes (eventually) 1150 degrees and cooks the inside of the AF clean. The newest Truck has a catalytic convertor, and AF, a Resonator and a burn chamber. The Hydrogenated Urea is injected into the Burn chamber and heats the exhaust system. The catalytic convertor gets damned hot and burns all the soot and cleans the exhaust so well that you can work right next to the outlet pipe and it does not hurt your eyes. ALL these truck now meet the newest regulations set forth by the California CARB system of controls.
I drive a 4bt that does not smoke because I use an HHO system that makes three liters+ a minute. This clears a great deal of the smoke and emissions. Next I plan to use a little propane to really clean-up the little diesel, once and for all!
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> 1. OT: Exhaust Fluid? (Aaron)
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> 3. Re: OT: Exhaust Fluid? (James Holland)
> 4. Re: OT: Exhaust Fluid? (Aaron)
> 5. Re: OT: Exhaust Fluid? (Eck, Joel)
> 6. OT: Muffler Bearings (Phil Lamovie)
> 7. Re: OT: Muffler Bearings (Aaron)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:15:39 -0500
> From: "Aaron" <aaron at creativeoverdrive.com>
> Subject: [Diy_efi] OT: Exhaust Fluid?
> To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
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>
> DEF? Exhaust Fluid? OH Yeah.
>
> We keep on the shelf in the back.
> It's next to the Blinker Fluid, Head lamp Fluid and the Muffler Bearings.
>
> And yet again Aaron the Automotive wonder is WRONG!
> Had I not helped an older gentleman pour 10 gals into his semi tractor's
> special tank, I'd be calling BS right now.
>
> http://www.dieselexhaustfluid.com/
> http://www.factsaboutscr.com/def/default.aspx
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_exhaust_fluid
> http://www.discoverdef.com/
>
> Hmm.
> Aqueous Urea Solution?
> Think I'll go wash my hands again.
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:12:49 -0600 (CST)
> From: teeleton at philter.com
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] OT: Exhaust Fluid?
> To: Aaron <aaron at creativeoverdrive.com>
> Cc: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1201031707360.21718 at philter.com>
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>
> How very strange. And yes, I think handwashing is in order given that
> urine is about 4% urea, and this stuff is about 32% urea. So apparently
> there's a legitimate automotive use out there for concentrated urine. Who
> knew?
>
> On Tue, 3 Jan 2012, Aaron wrote:
>
>>
>> DEF? Exhaust Fluid? OH Yeah.
>>
>> We keep on the shelf in the back.
>> It's next to the Blinker Fluid, Head lamp Fluid and the Muffler Bearings.
>>
>> And yet again Aaron the Automotive wonder is WRONG!
>> Had I not helped an older gentleman pour 10 gals into his semi tractor's
>> special tank, I'd be calling BS right now.
>>
>> http://www.dieselexhaustfluid.com/
>> http://www.factsaboutscr.com/def/default.aspx
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_exhaust_fluid
>> http://www.discoverdef.com/
>>
>> Hmm.
>> Aqueous Urea Solution?
>> Think I'll go wash my hands again.
>>
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> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 08:33:41 +0000 (GMT)
> From: James Holland <j_holland at btopenworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] OT: Exhaust Fluid?
> To: Aaron <aaron at creativeoverdrive.com>, teeleton at philter.com
> Cc: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
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> This is the area in which I'm currently working. There is a second method of aftertreatment control which involves burning highly atomised diesel to raise the pre-cat temperature of the exhaust, it seems to be less favoured by manufacturers because of the detrimental effect on fuel consumption figures. It does however mean that jokes about spark plugs for diesel are now redundant.
> regards
> James
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 3/1/12, teeleton at philter.com <teeleton at philter.com> wrote:
>
>> From: teeleton at philter.com <teeleton at philter.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] OT: Exhaust Fluid?
>> To: "Aaron" <aaron at creativeoverdrive.com>
>> Cc: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>> Date: Tuesday, 3 January, 2012, 23:12
>>
>> How very strange.? And yes, I think handwashing is in
>> order given that
>> urine is about 4% urea, and this stuff is about 32%
>> urea.? So apparently
>> there's a legitimate automotive use out there for
>> concentrated urine.? Who
>> knew?
>>
>> On Tue, 3 Jan 2012, Aaron wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> DEF? Exhaust Fluid? OH Yeah.
>>>
>>> We keep on the shelf in the back.
>>> It's next to the Blinker Fluid, Head lamp Fluid and
>> the Muffler Bearings.
>>>
>>> And yet again Aaron the Automotive wonder is WRONG!
>>> Had I not helped an older gentleman pour 10 gals into
>> his semi tractor's
>>> special tank, I'd be calling BS right now.
>>>
>>> http://www.dieselexhaustfluid.com/
>>> http://www.factsaboutscr.com/def/default.aspx
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_exhaust_fluid
>>> http://www.discoverdef.com/
>>>
>>> Hmm.
>>> Aqueous Urea Solution?
>>> Think I'll go wash my hands again.
>>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:23:47 -0500
> From: "Aaron" <aaron at creativeoverdrive.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] OT: Exhaust Fluid?
> Cc: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
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>
> WHAT ?
> Diesel Spark Plugs ?
> Exhaust Fluid ?
> I can't take any more.
>
> Here is a muffler bearing.
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/figs/ypipe/Add-a-90.jpg
> Look at the black part on the frame where the 3" pipe goes through.
> In 1973, the GMC parts book called the silicone ring under that black steel
> ring a muffler bearing.
> By 1974, GMC changed it to an insulator.
>
> Back in the early '90's, I replaced a working sealed beam / non halogen
> Lucas Headlight in a Jaguar. The customer did not like his friends joking
> about the oil sealed inside. The running joke was, "Everything Lucas makes
> leaks oil."
> How I'm thinking it was just blinker fluid.
>
> Seems everything I knew about cars is now upside down.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Holland [mailto:j_holland at btopenworld.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 3:34 AM
> To: Aaron; teeleton at philter.com
> Cc: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] OT: Exhaust Fluid?
>
> This is the area in which I'm currently working. There is a second method of
> aftertreatment control which involves burning highly atomised diesel to
> raise the pre-cat temperature of the exhaust, it seems to be less favoured
> by manufacturers because of the detrimental effect on fuel consumption
> figures. It does however mean that jokes about spark plugs for diesel are
> now redundant.
> regards
> James
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:30:34 +0000
> From: "Eck, Joel" <Joel.Eck at hp.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] OT: Exhaust Fluid?
> To: Aaron <aaron at creativeoverdrive.com>
> Cc: "diy_efi at diy-efi.org" <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> Message-ID:
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> Go to a Nissan dealer and ask for an exhaust bearing for an early 2000's Sentra. You will be taken seriously and will be sold an exhaust gasket for your trouble. (had to google that one a bit, I forgot what make it was, thought it was Benz).
>
> I worked in a parts house for a while where we handled some Lucas electrical parts. One customer informed me that he was looking for non-Lucas branded parts, because (as he put it) 'Lucas invented darkness'.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] On Behalf Of Aaron
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 08:24
> Cc: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] OT: Exhaust Fluid?
>
> WHAT ?
> Diesel Spark Plugs ?
> Exhaust Fluid ?
> I can't take any more.
>
> Here is a muffler bearing.
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/figs/ypipe/Add-a-90.jpg
> Look at the black part on the frame where the 3" pipe goes through.
> In 1973, the GMC parts book called the silicone ring under that black steel
> ring a muffler bearing.
> By 1974, GMC changed it to an insulator.
>
> Back in the early '90's, I replaced a working sealed beam / non halogen
> Lucas Headlight in a Jaguar. The customer did not like his friends joking
> about the oil sealed inside. The running joke was, "Everything Lucas makes
> leaks oil."
> How I'm thinking it was just blinker fluid.
>
> Seems everything I knew about cars is now upside down.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Holland [mailto:j_holland at btopenworld.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 3:34 AM
> To: Aaron; teeleton at philter.com
> Cc: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] OT: Exhaust Fluid?
>
> This is the area in which I'm currently working. There is a second method of
> aftertreatment control which involves burning highly atomised diesel to
> raise the pre-cat temperature of the exhaust, it seems to be less favoured
> by manufacturers because of the detrimental effect on fuel consumption
> figures. It does however mean that jokes about spark plugs for diesel are
> now redundant.
> regards
> James
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 03:04:02 +1100
> From: Phil Lamovie <phil at injec.com>
> Subject: [Diy_efi] OT: Muffler Bearings
> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Message-ID: <4F047872.5D9E2EF1 at injec.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>
> Please note there are now sufficient numbers of exhaust systems using
>
> shuttered resonant chambers to alter the exhaust "note" that the heretofore
>
> silliness of a "Muffler Bearing" is now a reality.
>
> The valves are servo driven and do indeed have plain bearings.
>
>
> Headlamp fluid is of course the heat sink paste used when changing out
>
> a blown LED.
>
>
>
> With non denominational best wishes,
>
> phil
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:36:15 -0500
> From: "Aaron" <aaron at creativeoverdrive.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] OT: Muffler Bearings
> To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> Message-ID: <000d01cccafe$fb3b4050$f1b1c0f0$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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> If a functioning Kuneutson valve (AKA "Kneutson, Kanutson") shows up on a
> OEM vehicle, I'm going back to points and a carburetor.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] On
> Behalf Of Phil Lamovie
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 11:04 AM
> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Subject: [Diy_efi] OT: Muffler Bearings
>
>
> Please note there are now sufficient numbers of exhaust systems using
>
> shuttered resonant chambers to alter the exhaust "note" that the heretofore
>
> silliness of a "Muffler Bearing" is now a reality.
>
> The valves are servo driven and do indeed have plain bearings.
>
>
> Headlamp fluid is of course the heat sink paste used when changing out
>
> a blown LED.
>
>
>
> With non denominational best wishes,
>
> phil
>
>
>
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