From Steve.Ravet at arm.com Thu Mar 9 22:35:02 2006 From: Steve.Ravet at arm.com (Steve Ravet) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 22:35:02 -0600 Subject: [Efi332] list changes and appeal Message-ID: I have configured the list to convert all incoming posts to plain text before sending them out. I think this will make the digests and archives much easier to read and help with bandwidth. I have requested that Mailman (the listserv software) be upgraded to the latest version. This has a neat feature: attachments are stripped from posts before they are sent out, but they are saved in the archives and a link to the attachment can be put into the outgoing email. This means attachments can be sent freely (within reason) without hogging bandwidth. Currently there is a size limit of 40K on inbound posts which prevents most attachments from going through. I am reading up on and planning on installing a twiki. If you don't know, a twiki is a WWW page that anyone can edit using any browser. Every page has an edit link at the bottom, anyone can click it and edit existing pages or add new pages. Now I don't have to have guilt because I haven't updated the FAQ in years -- if the FAQ is out of date it will be YOUR fault :-) You can create pages about your projects, etc. I have checked into adding a link to each post that takes you to that same post in the archive. This would allow you to refresh your memory of what was said previously before replying. I don't think Mailman supports that but I have asked on the user support list so I'll find out. I think that covers most of the suggestions I collected last month when I asked about forums. A large majority said they preferred the current email setup so that won't change. Finally, I wrote a check today to pay for web hosting through March 2007. People who have joined in the last couple years don't remember the last time I asked for money, that's because I haven't done it in a couple years. But, come March 2007, the kitty will be dry. I was pretty overwhelmed at the response when I asked for donations to bring the lists back online after the big crash. If you think you've gotten a few dollars worth of information or entertainment from the list in the last few years, then I'd encourage you to click on the "consider donating" link on the main WWW page (www.diy-efi.org) and send a couple bucks in to keep it running. It doesn't take a lot, the internet is cheap. If every member (over 1200 for diy_efi and gmecm) sent 50 cents that would pay for another 2 years of hosting. thanks, --steve -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. From bowtievette at aol.com Fri Mar 10 08:52:02 2006 From: bowtievette at aol.com (bowtievette at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:52:02 -0500 Subject: [Efi332] list changes and appeal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C81269533DC82D-165C-1EDD4@MBLK-R05.sysops.aol.com> Steve, efi332 is effectively dead so for this list, the changes really have no impact. But the other lists could certainly benefit from modernization. I don't understand the reluctance to the forum style. Perhaps folks aren't aware that with modern software you can have both the forum style AND the coveted email distribution. A quick look at what the Megasquirt guys have done at www.msefi.com shows what can be done. There you get an instant view of thread history and general subjects are neatly packaged into forums. If you like, you can still have email generated within each forum so that you only get the subjects you want. Its win-win. On the twiki subject, my opinion is that most of these type of sites get very convoluted and unusable quickly. Aren't there some html savvy listers who will volunteer to maintain the web pages? -----Original Message----- From: Steve Ravet To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org; gmecm at diy-efi.org; efi332 at diy-efi.org; wbo2 at diy-efi.org Sent: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 22:35:02 -0600 Subject: [Efi332] list changes and appeal I have configured the list to convert all incoming posts to plain text before sending them out. I think this will make the digests and archives much easier to read and help with bandwidth. I have requested that Mailman (the listserv software) be upgraded to the latest version. This has a neat feature: attachments are stripped from posts before they are sent out, but they are saved in the archives and a link to the attachment can be put into the outgoing email. This means attachments can be sent freely (within reason) without hogging bandwidth. Currently there is a size limit of 40K on inbound posts which prevents most attachments from going through. I am reading up on and planning on installing a twiki. If you don't know, a twiki is a WWW page that anyone can edit using any browser. Every page has an edit link at the bottom, anyone can click it and edit existing pages or add new pages. Now I don't have to have guilt because I haven't updated the FAQ in years -- if the FAQ is out of date it will be YOUR fault :-) You can create pages about your projects, etc. I have checked into adding a link to each post that takes you to that same post in the archive. This would allow you to refresh your memory of what was said previously before replying. I don't think Mailman supports that but I have asked on the user support list so I'll find out. I think that covers most of the suggestions I collected last month when I asked about forums. A large majority said they preferred the current email setup so that won't change. Finally, I wrote a check today to pay for web hosting through March 2007. People who have joined in the last couple years don't remember the last time I asked for money, that's because I haven't done it in a couple years. But, come March 2007, the kitty will be dry. I was pretty overwhelmed at the response when I asked for donations to bring the lists back online after the big crash. If you think you've gotten a few dollars worth of information or entertainment from the list in the last few years, then I'd encourage you to click on the "consider donating" link on the main WWW page (www.diy-efi.org) and send a couple bucks in to keep it running. It doesn't take a lot, the internet is cheap. If every member (over 1200 for diy_efi and gmecm) sent 50 cents that would pay for another 2 years of hosting. thanks, --steve -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. _______________________________________________ Efi332 mailing list Efi332 at diy-efi.org http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/efi332 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.diy-efi.org/pipermail/efi332/attachments/20060310/98913af5/attachment.html From Steve.Ravet at arm.com Fri Mar 10 09:22:22 2006 From: Steve.Ravet at arm.com (Steve Ravet) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:22:22 -0600 Subject: [Efi332] list changes and appeal Message-ID: ________________________________ From: efi332-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:efi332-bounces at diy-efi.org] On Behalf Of bowtievette at aol.com Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 8:52 AM To: efi332 at diy-efi.org Subject: Re: [Efi332] list changes and appeal Steve, efi332 is effectively dead so for this list, the changes really have no impact. But the other lists could certainly benefit from modernization. I don't understand the reluctance to the forum style. Perhaps folks aren't aware that with modern software you can have both the forum style AND the coveted email distribution. A quick look at what the Megasquirt guys have done at www.msefi.com shows what can be done. There you get an instant view of thread history and general subjects are neatly packaged into forums. If you like, you can still have email generated within each forum so that you only get the subjects you want. Its win-win. A couple people mentioned msefi and whatever package they use, I'm not on msefi so I'm not familiar with it. Frankly I'd rather not put the time into figuring out a new software package so I'm glad the consensus is the way it is. On the twiki subject, my opinion is that most of these type of sites get very convoluted and unusable quickly. Aren't there some html savvy listers who will volunteer to maintain the web pages? Volunteers aren't that reliable, that's why I decided to pay for web hosting rather than find another volunteer. The twiki is pretty configurable in that some pages can remain under the control of a few individuals, and other pages can be wide open. It basically makes every list member a volunteer. --steve -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.diy-efi.org/pipermail/efi332/attachments/20060310/51e16970/attachment.html From anders3x4grop at telia.com Sun Mar 19 05:21:50 2006 From: anders3x4grop at telia.com (Anders Grop) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:21:50 +0100 Subject: [Efi332] list changes and appeal References: <8C81269533DC82D-165C-1EDD4@MBLK-R05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <002601c64b47$51df7cc0$ccbfb5d4@anders2> Hello! I hope you will not close this homepage. I guess there are a lot of unfinished boards out there but maybe there is a some kind of obstackle keeping the boards from beeing finished. I have just sent Steve 10 dollars as a small contribution. Hope more who likes this forum will send some money. Just because there aren?t any action going on doesn?t mean there aren?t no (future) need.... For myself, I could buy a commercial system but no, my interst is to learn more about this. I am not an electrical engineer but still I am interested. I have soldered together a two layer system a couple of years ago and I have had two persons, at different times, who said they could help me with the communication( my main obstacle) between the computer and the efi system. But then they got kids etc and haven?t had time to do this so I have waited.....and waited...and waited..and didn?t want to bother you with this...until now.... I also have a four layer system but i haven?t done anything with that since the two layer system was put together and all i needed was to get help with the bits with the communication part and try it on the 2 layer first. If this was achieved I had the intention to present this info to the forum....but now, if this site is going to be closed, I have to kindly ask if there are people out there who have managed to make/modify the needed programs to suit 2/4 layer boards my applikation, that is a four cylinder, turbocharged engine with dual spark coils and a 60-2 trigger wheel with a bosch induction sensor, and map sensor and TPS also. Maybe there is a possibility to collect and present downloadable already made sucessfull running "program suites" for 2/4 layer boards with different combinations of engines, sensors, etc, if people are willing to contribute to this ? Are there anyone of you sucessfully running a 2 layer system today, maybe also on a 4 cylinder engine? Regards, Anders ----- Ursprungligt meddelande ----- Fr?n: bowtievette at aol.com Till: efi332 at diy-efi.org Skickat: den 10 mars 2006 15:52 ?mne: Re: [Efi332] list changes and appeal Steve, efi332 is effectively dead so for this list, the changes really have no impact. But the other lists could certainly benefit from modernization. I don't understand the reluctance to the forum style. Perhaps folks aren't aware that with modern software you can have both the forum style AND the coveted email distribution. A quick look at what the Megasquirt guys have done at www.msefi.com shows what can be done. There you get an instant view of thread history and general subjects are neatly packaged into forums. If you like, you can still have email generated within each forum so that you only get the subjects you want. Its win-win. On the twiki subject, my opinion is that most of these type of sites get very convoluted and unusable quickly. Aren't there some html savvy listers who will volunteer to maintain the web pages? -----Original Message----- From: Steve Ravet To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org; gmecm at diy-efi.org; efi332 at diy-efi.org; wbo2 at diy-efi.org Sent: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 22:35:02 -0600 Subject: [Efi332] list changes and appeal I have configured the list to convert all incoming posts to plain text before sending them out. I think this will make the digests and archives much easier to read and help with bandwidth. I have requested that Mailman (the listserv software) be upgraded to the latest version. This has a neat feature: attachments are stripped from posts before they are sent out, but they are saved in the archives and a link to the attachment can be put into the outgoing email. This means attachments can be sent freely (within reason) without hogging bandwidth. Currently there is a size limit of 40K on inbound posts which prevents most attachments from going through. I am reading up on and planning on installing a twiki. If you don't know, a twiki is a WWW page that anyone can edit using any browser. Every page has an edit link at the bottom, anyone can click it and edit existing pages or add new pages. Now I don't have to have guilt because I haven't updated the FAQ in years -- if the FAQ is out of date it will be YOUR fault :-) You can create pages about your projects, etc. I have checked into adding a link to each post that takes you to that same post in the archive. This would allow you to refresh your memory of what was said previously before replying. I don't think Mailman supports that but I have asked on the user support list so I'll find out. I think that covers most of the suggestions I collected last month when I asked about forums. A large majority said they preferred the current email setup so that won't change. Finally, I wrote a check today to pay for web hosting through March 2007. People who have joined in the last couple years don't remember the last time I asked for money, that's because I haven't done it in a couple years. But, come March 2007, the kitty will be dry. I was pretty overwhelmed at the response when I asked for donations to bring the lists back online after the big crash. If you think you've gotten a few dollars worth of information or entertainment from the list in the last few years, then I'd encourage you to click on the "consider donating" link on the main WWW page (www.diy-efi.org) and send a couple bucks in to keep it running. It doesn't take a lot, the internet is cheap. If every member (over 1200 for diy_efi and gmecm) sent 50 cents that would pay for another 2 years of hosting. thanks, --steve -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. _______________________________________________ Efi332 mailing list Efi332 at diy-efi.org http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/efi332 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Efi332 mailing list Efi332 at diy-efi.org http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/efi332 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.diy-efi.org/pipermail/efi332/attachments/20060319/cc7a28c7/attachment.html From bowtievette at aol.com Sun Mar 19 10:26:21 2006 From: bowtievette at aol.com (bowtievette at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:26:21 -0500 Subject: [Efi332] list changes and appeal In-Reply-To: <002601c64b47$51df7cc0$ccbfb5d4@anders2> References: <8C81269533DC82D-165C-1EDD4@MBLK-R05.sysops.aol.com> <002601c64b47$51df7cc0$ccbfb5d4@anders2> Message-ID: <8C81988FDE92B6F-1E98-3D30@FWM-D01.sysops.aol.com> >Hello! > >I hope you will not close this homepage. The efi332 page will not be closed of my accord. We'll just leave it open for reference. >I guess there are a lot of unfinished boards out there but maybe there is a some >kind of obstackle keeping the boards from beeing finished. No doubt. There are all the normal diy hurdles of implementing your own system plus all the ones associated with programming, loading code, etc for the 332. I have just sent Steve >10 dollars as a small contribution. Hope more who likes this forum will send some money. Your contribution is generous, but that is not what the issue is in the referenced email. I was just stating that whatever is done with the list format, it is not likely to offend many because the membership is small and generally inactive with this design. >Just because there aren?t any action going on doesn?t mean there aren?t no (future) need.... >For myself, I could buy a commercial system but no, my interst is to learn more about this. >I am not an electrical engineer but still I am interested. I have soldered together a >two layer system a couple of years ago and I have had two persons, at different times, >who said they could help me with the communication( my main obstacle) between the >computer and the efi system. But then they got kids etc and haven?t had time to do >this so I have waited.....and waited...and waited..and didn?t want to bother you with >this...until now.... Fire away with questions, I'd be glad to help. It sounds like your first obstacle is with downloading software to the board(s). That solution depends on what PC environment you will use. I know the windows solution well, but there are Linux solutions as well. Once you get software loaded, communication is eased. >I also have a four layer system but i haven?t done anything with that since the >two layer system was put together and all i needed was to get help with the bits >with the communication part and try it on the 2 layer first. If this was achieved >I had the intention to present this info to the forum....but now, if this site is >going to be closed, I have to kindly ask if there are people out there who have >managed to make/modify the needed programs to suit 2/4 layer boards my applikation, >that is a four cylinder, turbocharged engine with dual spark coils and a 60-2 trigger >wheel with a bosch induction sensor, and map sensor and TPS also. > >Maybe there is a possibility to collect and present downloadable already made >sucessfull running "program suites" for 2/4 layer boards with different combinations >of engines, sensors, etc, if people are willing to contribute to this ? There are only 2 folks actively running efi332 units that I'm aware of. There may be more but they aren't talking. So there's not much history to draw on for your particular combination. The Sourceforge site for efi332 (http://sourceforge.net/projects/efi332) has working embedded source for the 4 layer board which can be made to work with the 2-layer. This suite is set up for a V8 but is easily adaptable to any engine. There is also a console program there to interact with the embedded code but since it is based on Labview, you may want to do something different. I think Paul Helmuth has a windows based console application that he developed that could probably be made to work. And there is a second set of code on the efi332 site itself by Al Grippo , also set up for a V8. The 2-layer design does have some inherent weaknesses so you may be better off investing your effort with the 4-layer board. Seriously though, you have to weigh the merits of getting all this to work in light of the hurdles. There are at least a couple of options that are easier to deal with, one of which is Megasquirt which is close to turnkey by comparison. Not quite as capable as efi332 (yet) and perhaps less rewarding from an intellectual perspective, but a quicker and easier path to getting up and running. jc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.diy-efi.org/pipermail/efi332/attachments/20060319/9c4c2c4b/attachment.html From yakir.green at intel.com Mon Mar 20 04:58:19 2006 From: yakir.green at intel.com (Green, Yakir) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:58:19 +0200 Subject: [Efi332] list changes and appeal Message-ID: <875C321F70C64D43957EE7FB4C73CB837E9D5C@hasmsx413.ger.corp.intel.com> How much cheaper will an EFI332 4 layer project be to buying a MegaSquirt system? I have seen MS2 system for 400$ on e-bay ? anyone know where I can buy a cheaper one? Yakir ________________________________ From: efi332-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:efi332-bounces at diy-efi.org] On Behalf Of bowtievette at aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:26 PM To: efi332 at diy-efi.org Subject: Re: [Efi332] list changes and appeal >Hello! > >I hope you will not close this homepage. The efi332 page will not be closed of my accord. We'll just leave it open for reference. >I guess there are a lot of unfinished boards out there but maybe there is a some >kind of obstackle keeping the boards from beeing finished. No doubt. There are all the normal diy hurdles of implementing your own system plus all the ones associated with programming, loading code, etc for the 332. I have just sent Steve >10 dollars as a small contribution. Hope more who likes this forum will send some money. Your contribution is generous, but that is not what the issue is in the referenced email. I was just stating that whatever is done with the list format, it is not likely to offend many because the membership is small and generally inactive with this design. >Just because there aren?t any action going on doesn?t mean there aren?t no (future) need.... >For myself, I could buy a commercial system but no, my interst is to learn more about this. >I am not an electrical engineer but still I am interested. I have soldered together a >two layer system a couple of years ago and I have had two persons, at different times, >who said they could help me with the communication( my main obstacle) between the >computer and the efi system. But then they got kids etc and haven?t had time to do >this so I have waited.....and waited...and waited..and didn?t want to bother you with >this...until now.... Fire away with questions, I'd be glad to help. It sounds like your first obstacle is with downloading software to the board(s). That solution depends on what PC environment you will use. I know the windows solution well, but there are Linux solutions as well. Once you get software loaded, communication is eased. >I also have a four layer system but i haven?t done anything with that since the >two layer system was put together and all i needed was to get help with the bits >with the communication part and try it on the 2 layer first. If this was achieved >I had the intention to present this info to the forum....but now, if this site is >going to be closed, I have to kindly ask if there are people out there who have >managed to make/modify the needed programs to suit 2/4 layer boards my applikation, >that is a four cylinder, turbocharged engine with dual spark coils and a 60-2 trigger >wheel with a bosch induction sensor, and map sensor and TPS also. > >Maybe there is a possibility to collect and present downloadable already made >sucessfull running "program suites" for 2/4 layer boards with different combinations >of engines, sensors, etc, if people are willing to contribute to this ? There are only 2 folks actively running efi332 units that I'm aware of. There may be more but they aren't talking. So there's not much history to draw on for your particular combination. The Sourceforge site for efi332 (http://sourceforge.net/projects/efi332) has working embedded source for the 4 layer board which can be made to work with the 2-layer. This suite is set up for a V8 but is easily adaptable to any engine. There is also a console program there to interact with the embedded code but since it is based on Labview, you may want to do something different. I think Paul Helmuth has a windows based console application that he developed that could probably be made to work. And there is a second set of code on the efi332 site itself by Al Grippo , also set up for a V8. The 2-layer design does have some inherent weaknesses so you may be better off investing your effort with the 4-layer board. Seriously though, you have to weigh the merits of getting all this to work in light of the hurdles. There are at least a couple of options that are easier to deal with, one of which is Megasquirt which is close to turnkey by comparison. Not quite as capable as efi332 (yet) and perhaps less rewarding from an intellectual perspective, but a quicker and easier path to getting up and running. jc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.diy-efi.org/pipermail/efi332/attachments/20060320/520e1b5f/attachment.html From BowTieVette at aol.com Mon Mar 20 07:53:56 2006 From: BowTieVette at aol.com (BowTieVette at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:53:56 EST Subject: [Efi332] list changes and appeal Message-ID: <225.78027.31500df4@aol.com> By the time you integrate an efi332 system to the same level of readiness as those $400 assembled and ready to run MS systems, it will be more than $400, and probably closer to 500-600. IIRC, the hardware for efi332 was around $250, and then you would have to add assembly, enclosure, and don't forget a driver box, harness, etc. You get what you pay for though, so you've got to ask yourself, what do I really need? You can certainly purchase MS kits to assemble yourself for less than the ebay versions. Check out msefi.com. In a message dated 3/20/2006 5:59:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, yakir.green at intel.com writes: How much cheaper will an EFI332 4 layer project be to buying a MegaSquirt system? I have seen MS2 system for 400$ on e-bay ? anyone know where I can buy a cheaper one? Yakir ____________________________________ From: efi332-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:efi332-bounces at diy-efi.org] On Behalf Of bowtievette at aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:26 PM To: efi332 at diy-efi.org Subject: Re: [Efi332] list changes and appeal >Hello! > >I hope you will not close this homepage. The efi332 page will not be closed of my accord. We'll just leave it open for reference. >I guess there are a lot of unfinished boards out there but maybe there is a some >kind of obstackle keeping the boards from beeing finished. No -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.diy-efi.org/pipermail/efi332/attachments/20060320/f0883905/attachment.html From anders3x4grop at telia.com Thu Mar 23 14:07:59 2006 From: anders3x4grop at telia.com (Anders Grop) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:07:59 +0100 Subject: [Efi332] list changes and appeal References: <8C81269533DC82D-165C-1EDD4@MBLK-R05.sysops.aol.com><002601c64b47$51df7cc0$ccbfb5d4@anders2> <8C81988FDE92B6F-1E98-3D30@FWM-D01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <004001c64eb5$7be83360$cb9fe151@anders2> Ok, thanks, The person who has my stuff will return it after easter, so for now I have to try to remember/check up what the present status is. I will get back with some questions soon.... I thought that the main problem with the first tested 2 layer system was due to a faulty trigger wheel sensor? Maybe there are more faults that are known but not mentioned/documented? Anders ----- Ursprungligt meddelande ----- Fr?n: bowtievette at aol.com Till: efi332 at diy-efi.org Skickat: den 19 mars 2006 17:26 ?mne: Re: [Efi332] list changes and appeal >Hello! > >I hope you will not close this homepage. The efi332 page will not be closed of my accord. We'll just leave it open for reference. >I guess there are a lot of unfinished boards out there but maybe there is a some >kind of obstackle keeping the boards from beeing finished. No doubt. There are all the normal diy hurdles of implementing your own system plus all the ones associated with programming, loading code, etc for the 332. I have just sent Steve >10 dollars as a small contribution. Hope more who likes this forum will send some money. Your contribution is generous, but that is not what the issue is in the referenced email. I was just stating that whatever is done with the list format, it is not likely to offend many because the membership is small and generally inactive with this design. >Just because there aren?t any action going on doesn?t mean there aren?t no (future) need.... >For myself, I could buy a commercial system but no, my interst is to learn more about this. >I am not an electrical engineer but still I am interested. I have soldered together a >two layer system a couple of years ago and I have had two persons, at different times, >who said they could help me with the communication( my main obstacle) between the >computer and the efi system. But then they got kids etc and haven?t had time to do >this so I have waited.....and waited...and waited..and didn?t want to bother you with >this...until now.... Fire away with questions, I'd be glad to help. It sounds like your first obstacle is with downloading software to the board(s). That solution depends on what PC environment you will use. I know the windows solution well, but there are Linux solutions as well. Once you get software loaded, communication is eased. >I also have a four layer system but i haven?t done anything with that since the >two layer system was put together and all i needed was to get help with the bits >with the communication part and try it on the 2 layer first. If this was achieved >I had the intention to present this info to the forum....but now, if this site is >going to be closed, I have to kindly ask if there are people out there who have >managed to make/modify the needed programs to suit 2/4 layer boards my applikation, >that is a four cylinder, turbocharged engine with dual spark coils and a 60-2 trigger >wheel with a bosch induction sensor, and map sensor and TPS also. > >Maybe there is a possibility to collect and present downloadable already made >sucessfull running "program suites" for 2/4 layer boards with different combinations >of engines, sensors, etc, if people are willing to contribute to this ? There are only 2 folks actively running efi332 units that I'm aware of. There may be more but they aren't talking. So there's not much history to draw on for your particular combination. The Sourceforge site for efi332 (http://sourceforge.net/projects/efi332) has working embedded source for the 4 layer board which can be made to work with the 2-layer. This suite is set up for a V8 but is easily adaptable to any engine. There is also a console program there to interact with the embedded code but since it is based on Labview, you may want to do something different. I think Paul Helmuth has a windows based console application that he developed that could probably be made to work. And there is a second set of code on the efi332 site itself by Al Grippo , also set up for a V8. The 2-layer design does have some inherent weaknesses so you may be better off investing your effort with the 4-layer board. Seriously though, you have to weigh the merits of getting all this to work in light of the hurdles. There are at least a couple of options that are easier to deal with, one of which is Megasquirt which is close to turnkey by comparison. Not quite as capable as efi332 (yet) and perhaps less rewarding from an intellectual perspective, but a quicker and easier path to getting up and running. jc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Efi332 mailing list Efi332 at diy-efi.org http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/efi332 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.diy-efi.org/pipermail/efi332/attachments/20060323/5fead293/attachment.html From BowTieVette at aol.com Wed Mar 29 07:06:34 2006 From: BowTieVette at aol.com (BowTieVette at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:06:34 EST Subject: [Efi332] list changes and appeal Message-ID: <2f6.1b6a84d.315be05a@aol.com> In a message dated 3/23/2006 2:59:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, anders3x4grop at telia.com writes: I thought that the main problem with the first tested 2 layer system was due to a faulty trigger wheel sensor? Maybe there are more faults that are known but not mentioned/documented? IIRC, the 2 layer problem had to do with maintaining synch with the crank signal. That board has probably even a steeper learning curve than Bruce's design owing to the lower level of integration. Recall that it requires an additional separate IO board in addition to the driver board(s). Documentation is non-existent except for the list archives. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.diy-efi.org/pipermail/efi332/attachments/20060329/1b71c37e/attachment.html