Hair today, gone tomorow, was he dog food?

[Dave Zug]

I have several "personnal" and limited distrib packages that helped 
me, and yes I will give them to anyone who understands the "here but 
it is what it is" software rule. what I ask in return is intellegent 
feedback when convenient so I can improve it at my own pace. the 
stuff I made is so specific to what my needs were that they end up 
being of little use globally. In one I implemented an idea given to 
me by one tester, to graphically show the differences between 2 
files, in the form of 2 different colored lines on one graph. makes 
it reeal easy to spot duplicate "code" sections and minor differences 
in data. also counts the quantity of differences and lets you put up 
sections of 2 files side by side with color coded "hi" and "lo" tags 
on the data, for editing. it is not tolerant to any illogical user 
input like a zero length table <crash> but that never happens to me 
cause I know what not to do. it takes way too much time to 
incorporate reasonableness checks when I myself would never enter any 
unreasonable requests. not worth the development time.

As for the shareware thing, IMO if you call it a demo package and it 
demo's poorly, you might appreciate user feedback (free beta testers) 
so you can improve the product.  getting angry at the demo vendor 
after repeated attempts may say that the package and support failed 
the demo period, so dont buy it and don't use it.

> Date:          Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:52:11 -0500
> To:            gmecm at efi332.eng.ohio-state.edu,
>                "'gmecm at efi332.eng.ohio-state.edu'" <gmecm at efi332.eng.ohio-state.edu>
> From:          nacelp at jvlnet.com (CSH-HQ)
> Subject:       RE: Hair today, gone tomorow, was he dog food?
> Reply-to:      gmecm at efi332.eng.ohio-state.edu

> I was specfic, in mentioning freeware/shareware.  With this little machine I 
> can't download anything, but from what I read the comp.bin was freware.
> 
> In General, I was adressing how some list members, have done some little 
> speciality software items, and that those never see the light of the public, 
> cause the author doesn't want the hassle of this doesn't work on my PC 
> complaints.
> 
> No, I haven't talked to Tiger Cat to answer, your question.  I have thou run 
> some beta testing for folks, and it amazes me how much time it takes to 
> refine something into being marketable...  
> 
> With what I've spent on chips, and stuff, that didn't work, to find an 
> editor for $90 (as I understand it) is cheap.  If their are initial bugs, 
> well, that does happen.  Being a business man, and thinking you have it 
> right, and then having problems can be frustrating especially when it folks 
> just looking that
> are complaining.  It sounds, like the demo may need work, but that may or 
> maynot be the case with the actual editor.  
> 
> If Tiger is who I think it is, I have used some of the stuff, and it was 
> fine.  But, when I get home, I'll probably buy an editor, and see what happens. 
> 
> Grumpy
> 
> >Yes I agree grumpy, but have you talked or tried to talk to them?  If you
> >do, you might have a different attitude. :-)   They are unwilling to
> >acknowledge that they have any bugs because their software is the greatest
> >of all.  Any time you have a question or suggestion they respond  with the
> >type of attitude " give us money and we might talk".
> >
> >Just speaking from personal experience.  If you still don't believe I would
> >be happy to forward the email that I have from between them and I.
> >
> >BTW It is not free, it is only a demo.  If it was freeware, well... then
> >that would be a different story.
> >Mike Rolica
> >EXT. 260
> > :-)
> >
> >
> >	-----Original Message-----
> >	From:	nacelp at jvlnet.com [SMTP:nacelp at jvlnet.com]
> >	Sent:	Friday, October 15, 1999 10:33 PM
> >	To:	gmecm at efi332.eng.ohio-state.edu;
> >gmecm at efi332.eng.ohio-state.edu; gmecm at efi332.eng.ohio-state.edu
> >	Subject:	Re: Hair today, gone tomorow, was he dog food?
> >
> >	EXQQs me, but,
> >	having dealt with some of the  guys that have done, some of this
> >free 
> >	programming, it's seems to be folks should be a little understanding
> >about 
> >	it.  If the is some bugs just let the author know.  Demanding a
> >solution, 
> >	for freeware seems a little off base to me.  Some have quit rather
> >than deal 
> >	with this noise.  If you happen to have the talent (which I appaud
> >those 
> >	that do), why not take upon your self to try to work out a bug, and
> >solution.
> >	   How, many big firms, can you even get to talk to a human?
> >	   While, the idea of a bug is so distrubing to some, some of us are
> >just 
> >	grateful to be able to useit bugs or not!.
> >
> >	This just a general observation, and not direected "AT" anyone.
> >	Cheeers
> >	Grumpy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >	>>> Anyway it's great to see graphically the contents of my
> >calibrations!
> >	>>> I noticed that in Main Fuel Table #2, %VOl. Eff. Adder map it
> >looks
> >	>>> like computer "thinks" that VE goes down starting at 4000rpm,
> >and
> >	>>> this value is much "smaller" compared to next one so this
> >explains
> >	>>> my power/torgue "ditch" in wheel dyno diagrams...
> >	>>> And, there is bugs in software...
> >	>>> 1. crashes occasionally to "Run time error '6' -- Overflow" for
> >	>>>    example when having Main FT #2 open and then Tables - ECM
> >CONSTANTS
> >	>>>    opened
> >	>>> 2. filling of the EGR Correction Vs. Load Vs. EGR D.C (probably
> >2-dim
> >	>>>    array filling bug)
> >	>>> 3. can't open two instances of the program in NT 4.0 SP5
> >	>>> Well, and some others too...
> >
> 
> 
> 
~~~
Dave Z. www.delanet.com/~tgp