Heat crazed mad scientist

Bruce Plecan nacelp at bright.net
Mon Jun 5 16:31:20 GMT 2000


> There is a machinist here(the best in town) that does something to carbs.
He
> won't tell you what and during tech tear down it is invisible(it is
illegal
> in roundy round racin')but it makes a big differance. Has something to do
> with smoothing the surfaces, thats all he will tell you.
> "if ya ain't cheatin', ya ain't tryin'"

Invisible but illegal, ok now that makes no sense to me.
You wouldn't beleive how many folks think they are carb pros, but don't have
a clue.  Depending on class, there are a ton of tuning areas that can be
tampered with, that alot of folks don't take the time to optimize.  So when
they send them to someone that does all of a sudden it is better, is that a
real surprise?.
    Heck ya gotta tell the customer something, and if you do give away all
your secrets, then your out all your R+D time
Grumpy



> Point is these are all hi-revin' race cars and I don't think the same
> treatment would be that noticeable on a stock engine under street drivin'
> conditions.
>
> Btw the same guy builds remote control cars that run 60+ miles per hour
> using weed eater engines. He wins every race without fail!
>
> Kelly
>
>
>
>
> >From: Gabe <gellett at earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: gmecm at diy-efi.org
> >To: gmecm at diy-efi.org
> >Subject: Re: Heat crazed mad scientist
> >Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 10:32:54 -0500
> >
> >Turbulance near the injector sounds good, but near the throttle body
> >doesn't
> >sound that good to me...
> >
> >Mike Rolica wrote:
> >
> > > AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!
> > > I just finished school!!  Flash backs!!
> > >
> > > Sorry.....
> > > Yes but if you remember...... they are minor losses... not enough
length
> >or
> > > enogh of them to affect it....
> > > Also.. you  do want turbulence and seperation as it will help in
mixing
> >in
> > > the cylinder and a more complete burn!
> > > Ever seen a set of 94 fs chev truck heads???? If so you'll know what I
> > > mean... the have ramps... and make decent power..
> > > Mike Rolica
> > > Plant A,
> > > Magnesium Products Division
> > > Strathroy
> > >
> > > (519)-245-4040  Ext. 265
> > >
> > >                 -----Original Message-----
> > >                 From:   John_Calabrese at ENGELHARD.COM
> > > [SMTP:John_Calabrese at ENGELHARD.COM]
> > >                 Sent:   Monday, June 05, 2000 10:53 AM
> > >                 To:     gmecm at diy-efi.org
> > >                 Subject:        RE: Heat crazed mad scientist
> > >
> > >                 In order to quantify the flow increase, and thus the
> >talk of
> > > laminar vs
> > >                 turbulent flow, a velocity must be calculated from the
> >area,
> > > and cfm flow
> > >                 of the engine at different speeds.  Once the velocity
> >and
> > > reynolds number
> > >                 is calcuated, then you can see whether or not
turbulent
> >or
> > > laminar flow is
> > >                 present.  Either way, in a stock TPI throttle body,
> >there is
> > > a abrupt edge
> > >                 where the airfoil goes.  Any time there is an abrupt
> >change
> > > in direction,
> > >                 flow separation will occur, and it will occur easier
at
> > > higher velocities.
> > >                 Flow separation can be avoided or lessened by
smoothing
> >out
> > > the abrupt
> > >                 changes in the device you are flowing air in, be it a
> > > manifold head port,
> > >                 or a throttle body.  The airfoils' job is to fill in a
> >dead
> > > spot between
> > >                 the two openings, thus making the change in direction
> >less
> > > abrupt.  This
> > >                 should increase the flow due to the smaller amount of
> >flow
> > > separation from
> > >                 the side of the walls.  NASCAR guys do this to the
> >inside of
> > > the intake,
> > >                 trying to fill in dead spots in flow that could cause
> >flow
> > > separation,
> > >                 vortices, and reversion, all which adversly effect
flow
> > > rates.  I do have
> > >                 to disagree with grumpy on the fusalage being the same
> >as
> > > the intake.
> > >                 Inner flow and outer flow can differ significantly
when
> > > boundaries and
> > >                 finite areas are considered, plus everything on a
plane
> >is
> > > designed for
> > >                 lift and minimal drag....
> > >
> > >                 "Marteney, Steven J."
> ><smarteney at xlvision.com>@diy-efi.org
> > > on 06/05/2000
> > >                 09:31:58 AM
> > >
> > >                 Please respond to gmecm at diy-efi.org
> > >
> > >                 Sent by:  owner-gmecm at diy-efi.org
> > >
> > >                 To:   gmecm at diy-efi.org
> > >                 cc:
> > >                 Subject:  RE: Heat crazed mad scientist
> > >
> > >                 I don't have anything intelligent to add to this
topic,
> >but
> > > I find it
> > >                 interesting that ALL (?) the aftermarket, high-flow,
> > > twin-blade throttle
> > >                 bodies basically have the airfoil piece designed in
the
> > > housing.  Do they
> > >                 do
> > >                 it for looks or just for show?
> > >
> > >                 Steve
> > >
> > >                 -----Original Message-----
> > >                 From: Bruce Plecan [mailto:nacelp at bright.net]
> > >                 Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 4:37 PM
> > >                 To: gmecm at diy-efi.org
> > >                 Subject: Re: Heat crazed mad scientist
> > >
> > >                 Someone posted a link to a pic of one, after a quick
> > > refresher on what they
> > >                 look like, I'll bet 2 shiny new pennies that it will
> > > slightly worsen the
> > >                 air
> > >                 flow, especially at higher flow rates.   For a better
> >look
> > > at what happens,
> > >                 you might try to get a copy of Model Rocketry by G
Harry
> > > Stine.  Lots of
> > >                 **Good** data about sub sonic air flow.  Also an easy
> >read,
> > > and I think
> > >                 there was some talk about laminar flow boundry layer
> >etc...
> > >                    Also, for aero info., look at the WWII fighter
stuff
> > > that's all sub
> > >                 sonic
> > >                 (prop stuff, in level flight), and a good source.
> >Exterior
> > > flow over a
> > >                 fuselage is just the same as what's in the intake
tract.
> > >                    If ya think I got crazy about air filtering, and
misc
> > > stuff ya ought see
> > >                 what rockets brought out in me
> > >                 Grumpy
> > >
> > >
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