Jet Performance scam and others

[Jeff M]

Lyndon wrote:

> Jeff,
> I hate coming to someone elses defence, not knowing both sides of the
> story, but what vehicle, etc...Prom, Memcal did you have ?

1990 Turbo Grand Prix, same as the 1989 elec/mech wise.

> I know SC brings in a vehicle and tests if it's something they're
> clueless on--they use an emulator on stuff they've never worked on. When
> you buy a Vortec SC for your vehicle--guess who's done the chip program ?
> If the vehicle is something they doubt they'll do much volume on, they'll
> take an educated guess at where the vehicle will run at which "x" values
> on a table. Lets face it--any mass produced product can be made better.

My offering of info was kinda more towards the smaller guys (MAX RPM) and
that one programmer at SC that is/was (?) competing with his own company, I
know that if SC knew, he would be gone from there.  MAX RPM (SC programmer)
said they could do it, made no mention of needing a few tries (that means I
sure need to do more than listen for bad knock!) though I would of
understood the point.  Even when I sent them my prom dump to work on, and
after it failed (still wanting success ultimately for me and the car) I
asked what they had tried or if there was more, the reply was it would take
too much time, given, but they should of not made the offer (taken my $$) to
begin with, and then to not at least refund the full amount, I would refund
someone's money in this type of situation as this is the only level of
customer satisfaction I would expect ;-).

> There's probably better tuning people on this list, than any mass
> purchased product that's available

The words "long time ago" in my original post were long enough ago that the
GM_ECM list was not in existence.  For sure there are a good amount of
knowledgeable guys here on this list, and together a powerful force.

> ...and having looked at most of 'em, SC has done
> the most changes on any one table than anyone else has.
> I know that I've even sent out chips and people can't follow simple
> instructions and end up installing stuff backwards. SChips has a 30 day
> moneyback guarantee no questions asked and a lifetime warranty on the
> chip...are you really sure it was the same company ? I don't see anyone
> else offering that warranty...but I could be wrong...I know you're usually
> stuck with what you
> buy.
> Lyndon.

The regular SC chips may be good for like the Vortec package and F bodies
and such, my point was directed first towards the little guy (MAX RPM) and
that someone from SC would be running this company that is in direct
competition with his employer (conflict of interest is grounds for
dismissal, but I served no wrath in response to the final results of that
chip venture, and made no call to his true employer).  This guy WAS using SC
resources to do chips for his company and that is a bit out there for me.  I
know for sure he was at SC as the number was answered by that name.  So,
since the chip I bought was from MAX RPM (not SC) it did not have such a
warranty ;-(,  SC was one of the aftermarket tuners that turned my chip down
before finding MAX.  Hope this is clearer on the details for ya.

Jeff M

BTW, I got my own chip tuning efforts started after MAX failed figuring I
was on my own.  Last week I just got my TGP on the road with bigger cam,
bigger heads, bigger turbo, bigger injectors, bigger fuel pump and a few
other mods and am happy and looking good being able to address the key areas
with great fuel trim responses from the ECM/data logger, and an emulator
sitting next to the data logger taking up the passenger's seat pretty much
;-).


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff M <tystorm at email.msn.com>
> To: gmecm at diy-efi.org <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
> Date: September 29, 2000 7:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Jet Performance scam and others
>
>
> >I have a bit of spice to add to this soup (Habanero style), back long
> before
> >I decided to really get into detailing/breaking-out for myself the chip
in
> >my car, I decided to take the aftermarket route and called and found only
> >one who would tackle the job of doing a performance chip (all the big
names
> >including the "main man" Ron Zimmer declined no matter what ($)).  The
one
> >fish I found was Max RPM out of FL (different name now, duh!).  They said
> >they could do it but since it was a first, it would be a custom chip
> >requiring an additional $75 above the standard price of $156.00.  Chip
> >arrives and it does not even pass ign-on without the main cooling fan
> coming
> >of and the system rejecting the contents! (check-sum or whatever).  I
> >decided to compare the chip to my stock one and found they scrambled it
> >quite well so there was not way to easily figure out their mistakes, but
> for
> >sure my ECM would only be running limp-mode if I was stupid enough to use
> >it.  After deciding that it was a failure, I called and asked for a
refund
> >(now from PDQ Mail & More who was the addressie (?)).  They could not
> >authorize the refund and ask I call the programmer at this number (##).
> >After I call the number, I FIND THE PROGRAMMER WORKS FOR SUPERCHIPS!,
> >CONFLICT OF INTEREST HERE?  Long story short, the programmer says that no
> >one there at his shop (SuperChips) can figure out (or wants to for any
> >price, no surprise since Ron Z turned it down) the chip and all of its
> >contents (its twice the size of most), so then I should get a full
refund?
> >ahhh, no way and after many calls, give up and accept the $156 refund.
> >
> >Way aside from that, once you do figure out your chip, road tuning as it
> has
> >been said here before, is the best way to start.  Then dyno to save time
> and
> >engine less you got lots of time to be accelerating into all loads and
rpms
> >and temps on the road without pissing people off and/or attracting a
> lighted
> >authority figure ;-(.
> >
> >Jeff M.
> >
> >> To their credit (possibly?) S*PERCHIPS actually develops and runs their
> >> product on a DYNO(?). thats what thwir website said. I got to talk with
> >them
> >> a few times trying to get a chip for my GP alot of years ago and they
> said
> >> bring the car to FLA and they can "try". Anyone had experience with
this
> >cal
> >> maker's product? I beleive it is "secured" behind a translator or
> >> something - pretty cool.
> >
> >> > Yep--their calibration is hid so well that THEY don't even
> >> > know what they did <BG>. Performance packaging--all
> >> > the performance is in the package. Ever notice how well your
> >> > car goes after you do a battery disconnect ?? ;  )
> >> > Lyndon.
> >
> >> > >I recently got a buddy interested in performance tuning GM engines.
> He
> >> has
> >> > >a 92 Isuzu Rodeo, with a GM 3.1 V6.  It uses a 1228838 ECU, and has
> the
> >> > ANFK
> >> > >calibration.
> >> > >
> >> > >Back in '94, he had bought a 'performance' chip from Jet Performance
> >> > >Products.  Today, we read his original EPROM, and found that the
> >> > >'performance' EPROM had the SAME IDENTICAL IMAGE on it as was on the
> >> > >original factory chip!
> >> > >
> >> > >What gives?  Did Jet somehow 'hide' their calibration (I don't see
how
> >> this
> >> > >is possible on a 2732 EPROM), or did they just plain scam him for
> $120?
> >> > >BTW- he did not receive a CALPAK- this is not a removeable chip on
the
> >> > ISUZU
> >> > >'8838.






















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