Jet Performance scam?

[Programmer]

Sorry Dave,
Didn't meant to imply that you specifically yelled at them--it was
kind of a blanket statement to anyone who deals with customer
service...I know that dyno time is spread between those that are
tuning Ford stuff, and those doing the GM stuff. Pretty much all
the import tuning comes from the European division where SC got
its' start.
>brown gas<
Yeah--know what you mean...got some real crap one time in a 2000
Dodge 4x4 fuel tank in the shop...looked like somebody DID do an
oil change in the fuel tank <G>
Lyndon.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Zug <dzug at delanet.com>
To: gmecm at diy-efi.org <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
Date: September 30, 2000 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: Jet Performance scam?


>No, I never yelled at anyone.. I decided not to drive to FL.. they DID tell
>me they do it on a dyno and I just thought EVERYONE did it that way at the
>time so I did not think it special (I just wondered how thry made any
>money).
>
>I imagine the 87 octane thing happens - heck I can't go to any of 3
stations
>in my area and get fuel that performs consistantly at all. I think it
>depends on how many oil changes they sold the week before ;-P - what octane
>IS brown gas anyway?  Someone ought to sell a portable OCTANE tester kit,
>right next to the EPT's in the drug store.. I'd buy that!
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Programmer <nwester at eidnet.org>
>To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
>Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 9:53 AM
>Subject: Re: Jet Performance scam?
>
>
>> Dave,
>> I guess I've got a lot of experience with their products, and know the
>> engineers by name...they actually do bring in a vehicle and run the thing
>> on a dyno first. I've gotten calibrations sent up that didn't work, but
>> yelling
>> at them won't help...talking with them and accurately describing the
>problem
>> will always correct the problem--having some logged data really helps.
>> In their defense, if you run their chips on 87 octane, it will definitely
>> ping.
>>  The transmission table changes are really well done...you've gotta try
>one
>> in a 93+ GM truck. Can't say that their flash stuff is the greatest--but
>> they're working hard
>> to make it better...don't get ADS SuperChips mixed up with SuperChips.
>> Lyndon.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Zug. <dzug at delanet.com>
>> To: gmecm at diy-efi.org <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
>> Date: September 29, 2000 12:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: Jet Performance scam?
>>
>>
>> >To their credit (possibly?) S*PERCHIPS actually develops and runs their
>> >product on a DYNO(?). thats what thwir website said. I got to talk with
>> them
>> >a few times trying to get a chip for my GP alot of years ago and they
>said
>> >bring the car to FLA and they can "try". Anyone had experience with this
>> cal
>> >maker's product? I beleive it is "secured" behind a translator or
>> >something - pretty cool.
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: Programmer <nwester at eidnet.org>
>> >To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
>> >Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 3:13 PM
>> >Subject: Re: Jet Performance scam?
>> >
>> >
>> >> Yep--their calibration is hid so well that THEY don't even
>> >> know what they did <BG>. Performance packaging--all
>> >> the performance is in the package. Ever notice how well your
>> >> car goes after you do a battery disconnect ?? ;  )
>> >> Lyndon.
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Reid Bishop <rbish at ibm.net>
>> >> To: gmecm at diy-efi.org <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
>> >> Date: September 27, 2000 9:50 PM
>> >> Subject: Jet Performance scam?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >I recently got a buddy interested in performance tuning GM engines.
>He
>> >has
>> >> >a 92 Isuzu Rodeo, with a GM 3.1 V6.  It uses a 1228838 ECU, and has
>the
>> >> ANFK
>> >> >calibration.
>> >> >
>> >> >Back in '94, he had bought a 'performance' chip from Jet Performance
>> >> >Products.  Today, we read his original EPROM, and found that the
>> >> >'performance' EPROM had the SAME IDENTICAL IMAGE on it as was on the
>> >> >original factory chip!
>> >> >
>> >> >What gives?  Did Jet somehow 'hide' their calibration (I don't see
how
>> >this
>> >> >is possible on a 2732 EPROM), or did they just plain scam him for
>$120?
>> >> >BTW- he did not receive a CALPAK- this is not a removeable chip on
the
>> >> ISUZU
>> >> >'8838.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>>
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