Nuke their ass, take their gas...

[Bruce]

And I thought a fence only had two sides
Bruce




----- Original Message -----
From: "George Bearden" <gab16 at cvip.net>
To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Nuke their ass, take their gas...


> In the '70's I studied engineering at CSUFresno.  Over 50% of our students
> in that Dept were Iranian, with a good measure more of other middle-east
> countries, plus many oriental students.  I learned that there are many
> things about that Arab culture that are not attractive to me.
>
> I also learned that they were hesitant to talk about their religious
> fundamentalists.  At 1st I thought that they didn't want a confrontation.
> Then as I got to know a few much better, they quietly, with just a few
> words, let me know that the majority of them were afraid to say anything,
> even in Sunny Fresno California.  There were ears everywhere, and some
> students weren't really here to study but to report on other students.
> Lots of these guys were not cowards.  Many had military experience &
> training, many were 'studs'.  But they had mommys and little sisters and
> brothers at home who were vulnerable to these Talaban types in power.  I
> learned that the thinkers, the moderates, in these countries had a
delicate
> balancing act.  They wanted to influence their country toward 'western'
> values.  They wanted freedom from this kind of fear. But it is a big job
to
> take a country/culture from where it was to where they wanted it to be,
> without appearing to others as the enemy also..
>
> The USA had many of these friends and supporters in Iran that we alienated
> when we painted them all with the same wide brush when we had the big
> schism after the Islamic(?) takeover.  It is now impossible for the
> thinkers to say anything in that country.
>
> > After that "demonstration", I'd declare to the world that any further
mass
> > terrorism against the US or it's allies would be answered with the
immediate
> > destruction of the offending sponser state's capitol city(s).
>
> What do you think Ben Laden expects us to do?  Why don't you just ask him
> for the script so we can follow it more closely?  1st, you would hurt
> people who are NOT taliban or terrorists.  2nd, you would probably NOT
hurt
> the Taliban or Ben Laden.  3rd, in addition to being ineffective at
hurting
> the perps, you would further polarize the moderates and you would make it
> politically impossible for any remaining reasonable voices to influence
> their country.  4th, you would have hordes of angry young people in that
> country streaming to Ben Laden's cause.
>
> > These animals have no rules, which means that we shouldn't have any
either!
>
> Excuse me?  That conclusion doesn't seem adequately supported.  Suppose
you
> were an 18 year old pushing 5 year olds on the swing in a crowded
> playground.  A 5 yo hits you in the head with a rock but when you turn
> around you can't tell which did it.  Are you going to go smashing and
> hitting and stomping through the crowd of kids?  No!  You are going to use
> your more adult responses and find out which one did it.
>
> There are many ways to make war.  War is expensive.  If we are OK with
> spending $$$$ on bombs and soldiers, why not spend it instead on social,
> political and economic pressure on these guys?  Why not try to undermine
> THEIR  supporters?  Isolate the terrorists and their supporters.  Expose
> them for twisting Islam to their own ends.  Influence other moderate
muslim
> leaders to publicly denounce the twisted doctrine and the hatred.  Take
> their power-base away.  Make it politically *possible* for other Islamic
> governments to take our side.  (and the Taliban ISN"T the Afgan
government)
> THEN assasinate them.  Cruise missile them.  Tactical nuke only them.  Do
> some Clancy novel trick, take them out, but be sure of your target.  If we
> simply go in without preparation and slug everybody we will lose the war
> and our self-respect.  If we do this right maybe we can destroy the
> power-base of most all of the terrorists.  We can use this disaster to put
> pressure on a wide spectrum of terrorists, since they share the moral
> responsibility for the act by condoning it.  Don't simply knee-jerk hit
> back like a 5 yo.  Hate X Hate = HATE
>
> During and after the gulf war I saw Amerikans high-five'ing each other
when
> we buried, bombed, machine-gunned and fuel-bombed poor ignorant peasants
> who didn't even know they were fighting the USA till they got to the front
> lines.  They had guns behind them and guns in front of them.  No, I don't
> have the answer, but I sure am not proud of that situation.  No, I'm not a
> pacifist either.  And yes, I'd like to get back at Ben Laden (or whomever
> it turns out to be) too.  Yes, I'd feel different if my daughter had been
> in that building.
>
> But don't lets stop with the easy answer.  It is almost invariably wrong.
>
>
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