2.5L Iron Duke MPFI conversion.

[Len Sabatine]

     In the time frame of Smokey's 4 'cyl work , Along came the clean air act
     and ongoing tighter standards, so much of what could have been ended
     up as what is known as  "Super Duty" parts. The effects can be seen in
     GM's Performance Parts catalog in the Pontiac section. GM Legal is the
     "Filter" for AnyThing that goes public. Smokey's wonderful mind created
     many amazing hardware items. Smokey Yunick R.I.P.
     With EFI infiltrating Lawn and Garden Equipment , there's lots of Options,
     Planning and hard work is key .
     Len

>I still have an article about his work in an old magazine and it says
>nothing about a mopar engine.  I'll try to dig it up to make sure.  In the
>article and pictures I saw, he used a '79 Pontiac Sunbird with a 151.  He
>made 2 hp per c.i. and over 50 mpg with his testing.  His intent was not to
>make mega-hp V-8's but to get more hp out of smaller engines.  He claimed
>there should be kits for the 151 within a year.  Well it so happened that I
>had the same engine and same car -- I couldn't wait.  But nothing came out
>and it was years before I ever heard anything again.  It turned out that he
>sold the rights to his work to GM not too long after the articles came out,
>but he had a condition -- GM had to implement it within a certain time
>period.  GM was supposed to put it in a small truck (S-10, I assume), but it
>obviously didn't happen.  Supposedly, Smokey was suing GM over this, but I
>don't know anything about it after that.  I haven't heard anything else.
>
>Still, I wonder if a similar concept could be used with injectors?
>
>Joe
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bruce" <nacelp at bright.net>
>To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
>Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 4:36 PM
>Subject: Re: 2.5L Iron Duke MPFI conversion.
>
>
> >
> >
> > I'm pretty darn sure the original work was on some Mopar 4 cylinder, and
> > when it came time to go looking for some funding GM came up with some
>money
> > and engines.
> > Ain't nothing special about an Iron Duke.
> > Things fell thru over licensing, and when there was no more R+D money the
> > program stopped.
> > Bruce
> >   **Best Damn Garage in Arcanum**
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > That 4 cyl engine that Smokey built was really something.
> > > It was an idea along the same lines as the "100 mpg
> > > carburetor" articles that appear from time to time.  But
> > > Smokey's approach was a bit different.  Instead of trying to
> > > heat gasoline then introduce the resulting vapor into the
> > > intake charge, he drew fuel and air into the engine together
> > > then applied heat.  The intake charge was kept under
> > > pressure to prevent the expanding fuel from displacing the
> > > air that was with it.  The engine ran at some incredibly
> > > high temperatures and made 3 digit hp numbers.  IIRC, the
> > > test vehicle shown in the magazines was a Fiero.
> > >
> > > Shannen
> > >
> > > Bruce wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'm playing catch-up with the group and I have a little input on
>this
> > > > thread
> > > > > because of the death of Smokey Yunick this past weekend.  In the
>early
> > > > > '80's, Smokey was doing research on what he called the "Hot Air
> > Engine".
> > > > It
> > > > > was the kind of work that a group like this would really appreciate.
> > I'll
> > > > > save the discussion of his technique later, but engine that he used
>in
> > his
> > > > > research and fabrication was no other than the Iron Duke (151 cid)
>is
> > > > > relevant.  He chose the Iron Duke made by Pontiac because he wanted
>to
> > use
> > > > a
> > > > > 4-cylinder engine and, although not widely known, the Iron Duke was
> > the
> > > > most
> > > > > successful engine in automotive racing history (at the time).  I
>don't
> > > > know
> > > > > where he got his information, but he is (was) one of the most
> > respected
> > > > > engine builders and have no reason to question his facts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, there is some confustion about the 301 and it's history.  From
> > what
> > > > I
> > > > > understand, the Iron Duke was the basis of it - not the other way
> > around.
> > > > > Pontiac liked the success of the Iron Duke and they believed they
> > could
> > > > make
> > > > > an awesome V-8 by simply doubling it.  They weren't modifying a
> > Pontiac
> > > > 350,
> > > > > but a 151 (yes, the math works out that it should be a 302, but I
> > suppose
> > > > > that Ford and Chevy already had a 302, so they called it a 301).
> > > > >
> > > > > This engine might be a very good engine to play around with for efi
> > > > > projects, especially if you wanted to run a turbo.
> > > > >
> > > > > Incidently, I owned a '79 301-4V in a Firebird with a 4-speed and
>had
> > much
> > > > > fun.  I outran many a Camaro with a 350 and auto trans.  I still
>have
> > one
> > > > > sitting on an engine stand.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe
> >
> >
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