.junkyard TBI - NOW: GUN CONTROL

[Kurek, Larry]

OK guys, not quite the forum for gun control issues, so let's chill out on
this. However, let me share a bit of my personal experience with you.

First off, I am/was a HUGE supporter of the 2nd ammendment and the NRA. Went
to rallies, became a life member, wrote to my legisltaure, etc. I would have
considered myself a VERY responsible gun owner.

However, on January 1 of this year, my wife of 12years and her "boyfriend"
dropped a bomb on me that they were in love. He was a friend of mine, and
the husband of my wifes best friend. Be that as it may, I was rather
intoxicated and one thing led to another and the firearm was pulled out and
fired. Nobody was killed, thank God, but the boyfriend did catch a ricochet
in the leg. I am now facing a felony charge in Illinois with no probation
possible and 6-25 minimum sentence. I was NEVER in trouble with the law in
my life, so needless to say, this wasn't my habit. 

Bottom line, I haven't had a drink since New Years, nor do I ever think I
will pick up a gun again in my life (even if allowed to). I have trouble
watching "action" movies where there is any shooting involved (good luck
finding a movie that doesn't). I learned a VERY valuable set of lessons from
this whole thing... 1)never say never and 2)if this can happen to me, it
could happen to anyone. 

By no means am I signing up for HCI membership anytime soon, but I am
definately not for unrestricted rights either. Rather than offer an opinion
one way or the other, I am staying neutral on this from now on. 

Later,

Larry

BTW, while this hasn't been THE issue, my wife filed for divorce to continue
the relationship with her boyfriend. I came to find this was the 6th affair
she had during our marriage. If it wasn't for our kids (6 and 4), I would
say see you. FWIW, the above may keep me from getting custody (sole or
joint) of my kids as well. That sucks, since I was, and always will be, a
VERY involved, loving father. Sigh....

> -----Original Message-----
> From: bearbvd at cmn.net [mailto:bearbvd at cmn.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 5:29 PM
> To: gmecm at diy-efi.org
> Subject: .junkyard TBI - NOW: GUN CONTROL
> 
> 
> At 2:25 PM 5/31/01, Gonyou, Jeremy (.) wrote:
> >Ok, who's being facetious here?
> >
> >First, Bob, I want to clarify that I have no inclination of 
> jumping you
> >... regardless of what you have stuffed in your belt.
> 
> Glad to hear you're "straight", Jeremy!
> >
> >So tell me, as a bonafide gun owner, WHY people need to carry guns.
> 
> So that no-one can be quite sure who does and who doesn't ! 
> Which leads to
> much better manners overall!
> 
> All that crap about right-to-bear-arms aside, do we really 
> need engineers
> and techs and mechanics packing heat.
> 
> The very point _IS_ that random folks carrying at random is 
> the thing which
> has the positive effect.
> 
> I also suggest that you read the portion of Stuart Edward 
> White's book,
> "Folded Hills", which addresses the pros and cons of skill in 
> the use of a
> proper throwing knife vs. a six gun before you assume that 
> "heat" is your
> only source of apparent concern! Consider that there are also 
> a fair number
> of folks walking around who do not _NEED_ a weapon in order 
> to off someone
> who earns such a fate.
> 
> You cite safety, but safety from what?
> 
> Criminals--both violent and political. Which are somtimes 
> congruent. And
> the improvement in overall societal safety arises MUCH more 
> from the evil
> minded NOT HAVING A CLUE _who_ might be armed, and therefore not
> defenseless than it does from actual brandishment or use of 
> the subject
> firearms.
> 
> Other gun owners?  Should only the good people get guns and 
> who ARE the
> good people that don't make mistakes or get desperate?  WHAT 
> in the world
> does somebody need a gun for except to KILL things?
> 
> Precisely what it _IS_ needed for when KILLING something is 
> the appropriate
> response--as it (all too) often _IS_!!
> 
> If you don't trust your own temperament to such an extent 
> that you think
> you would never react inappropriately when carrying, it is 
> probably a wise
> choice for you not to carry! But your inability to control 
> your emotions,
> and any decision you may have based on that inability,  
> confers no right on
> you to restrict the right of others who _CAN_ remain in 
> control to exercise
> their (natural) right to avail themselves of whatever means 
> of self-defense
> they deem most appropriate!
> >
> >Our Fore Fathers gave us the right to bear arms so that we 
> might protect
> >ourselves from our own government.
> 
> Unfortunately, in the land of the weird and the home of the 
> craven, the
> meaning and purpose of this very point seems to be getting 
> more and more
> lost on many of the sheeple!
> 
> "Anyone who would surrender any of his liberties in return 
> for security
> deserves neither!
> --Benjamin Franklin.
> 
> Speak for whatever you think you deserve, but it would _NOT_ 
> be wise to
> consider intruding on my liberties!
> 
> Although the NRA has a political agenda, it will have no 
> credence until it
> starts knocking off senators.
> 
> Ayup!!
> 
> Respectful suggestions for starting places: Hillary & Schumer 
> & Feinstein &
> Boxer!
> >
> >Jeremy
> >
> Greg
> 
> >"He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my
> > contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since 
> for him the
> > spinal cord would suffice."
> >				- Albert Einstein
> 
> 
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