Nuke their ass, take their gas...

[Doug Dayson]

Look George, everything you say below is correct, but remember this...

The fundamentalists control the rogue states. They kill and imprison their own
women and moderates (who are in the minority BTW). This isn't and wasn't caused
by the USA, they do it on their own as they believe "God" commands them to...???

These fundamentalists who support terrorism have declared war on the innocent
civilians of the world, not just us here in the USA.

So, if there are to be losses of innocent civilians I offer that it's better that
they are theirs versus ours (at least we try and limit such losses, they
predicate their entire battle plan on the loss of innocent civilians).

Destroying a remote mountain canyon as a demonstration, and then issuing the
warning that states sponsering mass terrist attacks will lose their capitol
cities is a radical plan that I hope doesn't become necessary, but if it does
it'll be effective.

You're right about Bin Laden, he wants a war between all of Islam and the west,
though he'd better be careful of what he wishes for! That WWIII scenerio is
unwinnable for them,
and would result in their complete eradication, as well as the poisoning of a
large portion of the planet.

I feel for the innocents on both sides, and pray like hell that old Bin Laden
doesn't get his way!

All that needs to happen is that the rogue fundamentalist states have to police
themselves in a civilized manor and the problem is solved.

Doug

> countries, plus many oriental students.  I learned that there are many
> things about that Arab culture that are not attractive to me.ult in thI also
> learned that they were hesitant to talk about their religious
> fundamentalists.  At 1st I thought that they didn't want a confrontation.
> Then as I got to know a few much better, they quietly, with just a few
> words, let me know that the majority of them were afraid to say anything,
> even in Sunny Fresno California.  There were ears everywhere, and some
> students weren't really here to study but to report on other students.
> Lots of these guys were not cowards.  Many had military experience &
> training, many were 'studs'.  But they had mommys and little sisters and
> brothers at home who were vulnerable to these Talaban types in power.  I
> learned that the thinkers, the moderates, in these countries had a delicate
> balancing act.  They wanted to influence their country toward 'western'
> values.  They wanted freedom from this kind of fear. But it is a big job to
> take a country/culture from where it was to where they wanted it to be,
> without appearing to others as the enemy also..
>
> The USA had many of these friends and supporters in Iran that we alienated
> when we painted them all with the same wide brush when we had the big
> schism after the Islamic(?) takeover.  It is now impossible for the
> thinkers to say anything in that country.
>
> > After that "demonstration", I'd declare to the world that any further mass
> > terrorism against the US or it's allies would be answered with the immediate
> > destruction of the offending sponser state's capitol city(s).
>
> What do you think Ben Laden expects us to do?  Why don't you just ask him
> for the script so we can follow it more closely?  1st, you would hurt
> people who are NOT taliban or terrorists.  2nd, you would probably NOT hurt
> the Taliban or Ben Laden.  3rd, in addition to being ineffective at hurting
> the perps, you would further polarize the moderates and you would make it
> politically impossible for any remaining reasonable voices to influence
> their country.  4th, you would have hordes of angry young people in that
> country streaming to Ben Laden's cause.
>
> > These animals have no rules, which means that we shouldn't have any either!
>
> Excuse me?  That conclusion doesn't seem adequately supported.  Suppose you
> were an 18 year old pushing 5 year olds on the swing in a crowded
> playground.  A 5 yo hits you in the head with a rock but when you turn
> around you can't tell which did it.  Are you going to go smashing and
> hitting and stomping through the crowd of kids?  No!  You are going to use
> your more adult responses and find out which one did it.
>
> There are many ways to make war.  War is expensive.  If we are OK with
> spending $$$$ on bombs and soldiers, why not spend it instead on social,
> political and economic pressure on these guys?  Why not try to undermine
> THEIR  supporters?  Isolate the terrorists and their supporters.  Expose
> them for twisting Islam to their own ends.  Influence other moderate muslim
> leaders to publicly denounce the twisted doctrine and the hatred.  Take
> their power-base away.  Make it politically *possible* for other Islamic
> governments to take our side.  (and the Taliban ISN"T the Afgan government)
> THEN assasinate them.  Cruise missile them.  Tactical nuke only them.  Do
> some Clancy novel trick, take them out, but be sure of your target.  If we
> simply go in without preparation and slug everybody we will lose the war
> and our self-respect.  If we do this right maybe we can destroy the
> power-base of most all of the terrorists.  We can use this disaster to put
> pressure on a wide spectrum of terrorists, since they share the moral
> responsibility for the act by condoning it.  Don't simply knee-jerk hit
> back like a 5 yo.  Hate X Hate = HATE
>
> During and after the gulf war I saw Amerikans high-five'ing each other when
> we buried, bombed, machine-gunned and fuel-bombed poor ignorant peasants
> who didn't even know they were fighting the USA till they got to the front
> lines.  They had guns behind them and guns in front of them.  No, I don't
> have the answer, but I sure am not proud of that situation.  No, I'm not a
> pacifist either.  And yes, I'd like to get back at Ben Laden (or whomever
> it turns out to be) too.  Yes, I'd feel different if my daughter had been
> in that building.
>
> But don't lets stop with the easy answer.  It is almost invariably wrong.
>
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