From Steve.Ravet at arm.com Mon Feb 6 23:24:04 2006 From: Steve.Ravet at arm.com (Steve Ravet) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 23:24:04 -0600 Subject: [Wbo2] comments on reorganizing lists Message-ID: I've thought about moving the lists to the forum style format that most other internet groups use -- corral.net, thirdgen, etc. I've been opposed to this for some time, liking the email format these lists have always used. So I've put together a list of what I think the pros and cons of each are and I'd like to solicit some discussion and opinions on whether a switch would be good or bad. email pros: 1) new posts come to your inbox, or can be filtered to another box. email cons: 1) surprisingly high bandwidth usage 2) archive/search engine isn't automatic. forum pros: 1) possibly lower bandwidth 2) message context always available. Don't have to depend on included replies or memory to know if the discussion started out about Ford or GM intakes, for example. 3) archive/searching built in. 4) sticky posts mean good information doesn't disappear into the archive abyss. forum cons: 1) overly cute dancing smiley faces 2) chatty 3) no digest mode (?) The owner may be able to turn off dancing icons, and I don't know if the chatty-ness of other forums is due to the list membership or encouraged by the format. An ideal solution may be like yahoo where you can sign up for email delivery of all posts if you want. Note, I am not suggesting moving the lists to yahoo. If the switch is made I plan on having the same lists available, possibly dropping the diy_wb list since it's very low traffic and on topic for diy_efi. I don't plan on having a lounge forum. Anyway, if you have an addition to the pros and cons listed above send it, and if you have an opinion on switching send that also. --steve -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. From Steve.Ravet at arm.com Wed Feb 8 10:14:42 2006 From: Steve.Ravet at arm.com (Steve Ravet) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:14:42 -0600 Subject: [Wbo2] RE: [Gmecm] comments on reorganizing lists Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: gmecm-bounces at diy-efi.org > [mailto:gmecm-bounces at diy-efi.org] On Behalf Of Tomas J. Sokorai Sch. > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:36 PM > To: gmecm at diy-efi.org > Subject: Re: [Gmecm] comments on reorganizing lists > > On Tuesday 07 February 2006 17:14, Ryan Hess wrote: > > We have no search function as of now. > > http://www.diy-efi.org/diy_efi/archive_search.php > > It's still a bit beta-quality. I dropped the ball a little bit on this one. Tomas has been helping me out for a couple years at least, writing some perl code behind the scenes to automate various parts of the list like creating archives. He did put together the search engine above, which includes some of the pre crash archives. It's not yet automated to index the ongoing archives, and I haven't gotten around to adding a link to the main pages yet. Our current setup requires some ongoing maintenance like this which is one reason that I started thinking about the forum setup. So thanks to Tomas (or props, as the kids say) for getting the search function back together. I think it's clear that if a forum is created it needs to be in addition to, not instead of, the current email setup. The ability to post pictures is a pro for the forum that I didn't mention that can't really be done via email, and I'm not going to pretend that the anonymous FTP site is a comparable replacement. Here are some thoughts that I've had that might improve the current situation: 1) Get the search engine finished up. It needs to be tied into the current archives, and the old archives need to be installed and indexed. 2) Mailman is the mailing list software, and it creates threaded html archives. If every posting contained a link back to itself in the html archive then a single click could allow you to review the context. For example, Tomas' post would have included this link at the bottom: http://lists.diy-efi.org/pipermail/gmecm/2006-February/001275.html I don't know if mailman can be configured this way but I'll check into it. 3) pictures -- the the html archiving software I think already takes care of saving attachments and creating links to them. The outbound email may be able to be modified to include this link instead of the attachment, or if nothing else then if 1) can be implemented then one further click after going to the html archive will show the attachment, if you know to do that. 4) the wiki suggestion is a great one -- I can let you guys create the FAQs. For those who don't know wiki is a WWW page that can be modified by anyone with a browser. you can edit existing pages, add new ones, etc. and it's simple. You don't have to know html or anything other than being able to type, although there are some simple formatting commands you can use. I'll send an email to the DIY list shortly with a small jpg attachment to see exactly what happens to it. --steve -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. From urq at pacbell.net Tue Feb 14 01:53:51 2006 From: urq at pacbell.net (urq) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:53:51 -0800 Subject: [Wbo2] Re: [Diy_efi] comments on reorganizing lists References: Message-ID: <002801c6313b$cc8d1f70$6400a8c0@fasthp> ... I haven't had much chance to be active here lately ... but I'm still interested in someday putting together an ION-based fuel/ignition system for my old Audis ... ... here's my tuppence on the migration ... I have never found a forum-based group I cared for. I just don't have the time (or inclination) to deliberately go to particular sites to see what is going on. I suppose you can always get "caught up" when you go there, but for me, I'd say it would more than likely move me farther away from the DIY EFI group ... furthermore, it seems that there's a lot more folks who seem to be "chatting" on firums ... I'm interested in groups that are active and are interested in doing things ... The one forum I do make an attempt to track is the "DOG" forum ... it does seem to be a good, strong core group and doesn't seem to digress from the topic at hand (in that case obtaining and maintaining older VWs and Audis) ... Thanks for looking for input from the members! Steve B San Jose, CA (USA) ----- Original Message ----- I've thought about moving the lists to the forum style format that most other internet groups use -- corral.net, thirdgen, etc. I've been opposed to this for some time, liking the email format these lists have always used. So I've put together a list of what I think the pros and cons of each are and I'd like to solicit some discussion and opinions on whether a switch would be good or bad. From panthrb at aol.com Wed Feb 15 13:20:01 2006 From: panthrb at aol.com (panthrb at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:20:01 -0500 Subject: [Wbo2] Where to get kits Message-ID: <8C8007BF3DB9A84-AF0-7C9@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com> Just subscribed. Wanted to know where to order wbo2 kits. Thank You, Hoss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.diy-efi.org/pipermail/wbo2/attachments/20060215/0c51c84c/attachment.html