For REALLY good injection, check this out

Tue Aug 26 14:38:23 GMT 1997

Nope.  Hydrogen has high energy, but the amount of
hydrogen in a hydro-carbon is closely related to the 
number of carbon atoms.  Example
     H     H      H
      |      |        |
H - C ... C .... C -H
      |      |        |
     H     H      H
for paraffin's like methane, ethane, propane, butane etc and then it 
gets complex.  Generally speaking the amount of H is aprox 2x the
amount of carbon atoms - but this still is a very low mass compared
to the carbon mass.

Since the hydrogen is bonded to the carbon ( coal and H2 if it were
not), it is very convenient to only look at the carbon content for most
purposes. 

For a discussion about fuels, in particular with regard to your need for
speed, check out Jeff Hartmans book "High Performance fuels and 
lubricants"

EFI content - Jeff is a strong advocate of a SECOND EFI system that 
piggybacks onto a tweaked stock system and injects a second separate
fuel that could be as radical as Nitromethane on demand.  Check out
chapter 14

"When some one gets something for nothing -
             some one else gets nothing for something "

If the first ingredient ain't Habanero, then the rest don't matter.
Robert Harris <bob at bobthecomputerguy.com>

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> From: James Boughton <boughton at bignet.net>
> To: 'diy_efi at coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu'
> Subject: RE: For REALLY good injection, check this out
> Date: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 5:54 AM
> 
> If the energy available in fuel is related mostly to the carbon
> content does that hydrogen about worthless?
> 
> Sorry, just had to say it:-)
> 
> Jim Boughton
> boughton at bignet.net
> 
> ----------
> From: 	Robert Harris[SMTP:bob at bobthecomputerguy.com]
> Sent: 	Sunday, August 24, 1997 11:02 AM
> To: 	diy_efi at coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu
> Subject: 	Re: For REALLY good injection, check this out
> 
> Dah - dere is a more saturated fuel available - its 
> called M85 or Methanol.  Now time for basic chemistry.
> 
> The more oxygen a fuel contains - the lower the power 
> density of the fuel, and the more of the fuel you have to
> burn to make the same level of power.  Your flipping magnets
> electromagnetic spectrum analopticytous whacko fantasy's 
> aside, thats reality.
> 
> And since the oxygenation of fuel is NOT for POWER nor for
> MILEAGE nor to make CARBS work better, but is for a cheap ass
> way of reducing certain emissions in ALL engines and causes
> an INCREASE in other type emissions, more is not BETTER!
> 
> By the way, NOX is related to combustion TEMP, of which ethers 
> and alcohol's tend to lower because they have LESS energy, but the
> prime purpose is they raise the OCTANE CHEAPER than most 
> other additives with two nice side effects - the HC's do get lowered
> and the ENERGY NAZIS love it.  Side effects include increased 
> formaldehyde outputs and radically increased evaporation HC's -
> dats why it can only be used during winter.
> 
> And Terry and others - might I suggest reading the "Exhaustive Gasoline
> FAQ" parts 1 to 4 posted and made available numerous places on the net.
> This will explain many of your fuel questions with enough provable theory 
> so that you don't get snake oiled or side tracked into fantasy land.
> 
> Final note.  Diesel fuel contains ZERO oxygenates, ZERO alcohol's or ethers
> and is as close to liquid COAL (straight carbon) as can be made and meet
> other requirements.  The ENERGY in a fuel is very closely related to the 
> amount of carbon available to combine with oxygen, and pre-combining 
> oxygen  in effect pre-burns that portion of the fuel.  Sorry - no plasmaizing
> puke yellow page magic today boys.  Further, comparing gasoline to diesel
> requiring special fuels ain't in the realm of reality.  It took Fuel
Injection
> about
> 70 plus years to equal a properly tuned high performance carb such as a 
> Weber.  Further, after the fuel and air are mixed, there is NO Difference in
> combustion - so mixing a special fuel for one or the other is right up there
> with SLICK 50 and the POGUE carburetor and the fuel line magnet.  Regional
> differences in temp, altitude, humidity etc swamp any difference blending 
> special fuels would make with todays STREET state of the art and would
> be POLITICAL suicide.
> 
> Just my not so humble opinion which is probably wrong anyway.  Read 
> the FAQ please before fueling my asbestos panty liners.
> 
> "When some one gets something for nothing -
>              some one else gets nothing for something "
> 
> If the first ingredient ain't Habanero, then the rest don't matter.
> Robert Harris <bob at bobthecomputerguy.com>
> 
> 
> ----------
> > From: Don Bowen <donb at cts.com>
> > To: diy_efi at coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu
> > Subject: Re: For REALLY good injection, check this out
> > Date: Saturday, August 23, 1997 4:55 PM
> > 
> > Seems like it would also do to reduce NOX even further than the current
> > oxygenated stuff.
> > 
> > At 12:44 PM 8/23/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >  I suppose the so called "oxygenation" of fuel has some merit,
> > >but it's still a concept trying to formulate fuel to fit both carbed,
> > >and injected engines. That's just plain stupid. If the gas companies
> > >want to get on the boat, why not formulate a fuel specifically for
> > >injected engines, (like diesel is), and make a serious attempt to
> > >saturate the fuel with oxygen, so that the intake air stream is reduced.
> > >Hell, they could even get into agriculture, and use the oxygen given off
> > >by plants as the source by tapping the enriched air of the massive acres
> > >of greenhouses popping up everywhere. I have no idea what sort of oxygen
> > >absorption a particular liquid hydro-carbon has, (pressure dependant,
> > >among other things), but getting even a small amount of the nitrogen out
> > >of the process in favour of oxygen has big leverage on combustion and
> > >power efficiency, as does recovering lost heat, and moving heat out of
> > >the intake charge. 
> > >
> > >Terry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Robert Bowen
> > California, via Thailand, Czech Republic
> > 
> > 	Linguistics Student; mechanic; Vespa collector
> > 	*1967 Toyota Corona, 1976 Vespa Rally 200*
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