Hi Bruce Been lookin in the hydra tech manuel.. The 3-4 clutch pack is responsible for 3rd and 4th gear A no 3 or od means this pack is gone. 3rd gear is quite good I have been in a vehicle which lost 3rd and od These symtoms are nothin like it. The manuel suggest lookin at the 2-4 band, and the servo.. anyways sorri to pester you again peter who better prep fer a lecture