EGOR Status (well, not really, but the questions were also a ruse)

[Scott Schaaf]

Hey Gar,
	Back the Fu&* off !!!   I thought you had alot of good to say,  I read
alot of your mail,  and alot of it made sense.   HOWEVER, if this is SUCH a
'JUNK LIST' to you,  WHY the HELL do you waste your time with us  'low life
shit' ???  I hope the end of this message, "To the rest of you pukes on the
list: Hasta la vista, baby. ", means you will take your childish shi# off
this list for good.   If you can't except us peons questions, and if you're
THAT fuc*ing good,  Go somewhere else,  I have heard enough.  

I don't need a response for you, ALL MIGHTY BRAIN GOD,  so just go
somewhere else and bitch at them, some.  GOD HELP US ALL, should you need
to spill anymore crap.  (And, NO, I don't speak for someone else, because I
can stand up for myself to childish crap,  I HAVE grown up..)

					Scott...
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> From: garfield at pilgrimhouse.com
> To: diy_efi at efi332.eng.ohio-state.edu
> Subject: EGOR Status (well, not really, but the questions were also a
ruse)
> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 11:10 PM
> 
> Well, well, I take a week's break from the bullshit, and another week
> away at a eXperimental Aviation Airshow, and I return to find this
> thread on EGOR:
> 
> 
> [parasitic rotary lurker unburdens himself...]
> 
> >From: rotary at mediaone.net
> >Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:20:48 -0400
> >Subject: EGOR -> UEGO
> ...
> >As a parasitic lurker, I had been waiting to see if EGOR would come to
fruition,
> >but it now appears that it has died on the proverbial development vine.
> 
> 
> [Then Dr. Pelican responds ...]
> 
> >From: "Bruce Plecan" <nacelp at bright.net>
> >Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 00:54:19 -0400
> >Subject: Re: EGOR -> UEGO
> >
> >What a cheap shot from someone with no interest to support the list.
> >It's this type of attitude IMHO that just sucks the life out of
projects.
> >If your gonna lurk fine, but, don't go out of your way to be rude, when
> >you do type, asking for help.
> >  I think you owe the "guy" an apology, and just so you don't feel
alone,
> >several others also owe him an apology, IMHO.
> 
> 
> [then RPL objects to being "terribly misunderstood" ...]
> 
> >From: rotary at mediaone.net
> >Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:05:09 -0400
> >Subject: Re: EGOR -> UEGO
> >
> >Hey Bruce, et al,
> ...
> >Please help me understand at which point in my original post I took a
"cheap
> >shot?"
> ...
> >If your contention with my post is related to the fact that I
> >stated that EGOR "appears that it has died on the proverbial development
vine,"
> >please help me understand how else someone (ie DIY_EFI subscriber) is
supposed
> >interpret the lack of (subscriber accessable) progress on the project
over the
> >last month to month and a half.
> ...
> >under what dynamic did my post "suck
> >the life," out of the project?  Was it the fact that I had the arrogance
to
> >imply its perceive demise? 
> ...
> >But
> >I certainly will not stand (or sit as the case may be)-by while some
> >self-appointed false prohet of the Internet proclaims edict of the
righteousness
> >(In His Humble Opinion) with regards to who among the collective (List)
flock is
> >worthy of annointment (apologies), and who are to be excommunicated. 
Perhaps it
> >is this type of "support" which quells the interest of the less active
members
> >of the list.
> 
> 
> [then the Gorkowski comes to his indignant aid, with the usual
> 'disinterested party' spin, by sending this PRIVATE email to Frank
> Parker, me partner in this effort, instead of asking ME what the status
> of the project is ... ]
> 
> >From: Steve Gorkowski <kb4mxo at mwt.net>
> >Subject: Re: EGOR -> UEGO
> >
> >I have not seen posts of Egor  progress either and hope someone picks up
the
> >ball or at least gives updates on this site. If it is being done off
this site
> >with a select few that is ok just tell the group .
> ...
> 
> 
> [then poor Frank responds to the seemingly urgent/factfinding question ]
> 
> >From: Frank F Parker <fparker at umich.edu>
> >Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:15:41 -0400 (EDT)
> >Subject: Re: EGOR -> UEGO
> >
> >> I have not seen posts of Egor  progress either and hope someone picks
up the
> >> ball or at least gives updates on this site. If it is being done off
this site
> >> with a select few that is ok just tell the group . As far as where you
can find
> >> information on commercial units look in the Archives and you will find
every
> >> thing on prices and how they work.
> >> Steve
> >
> >I did the preliminary testing on EGOR concepts and have talked to Gar
> >many times about its development. He wants to get it right and our
latest
> >concern was the note in the SAE paper about the 3% chg with 0.1 atm
> >pressure change. That was of a concern for those of us with turbo cars,
> >tho the error is to say lean, but be rich- thus the correct way for the
> >error as to not melt a motor down.
> >
> >I am just starting to tune in my V8 S10 with DFI and I put 2 O2 ports
> >on it just so I could do comparisons of EGOR to NTK to Bailey etc.
> >Gar is going to send prototype to me for that testing asap. That said
> >I have not heard from him in awhile but I did tell him that I would
> >probably be ready about July 14th and that is nearby.
> >So be patient. I have not heard anything from him that would suggest
> >the project is dead.
> >
> >regards,
> >
> >frank parker
> >
> >PS: If anyone has experience in tuning a DFI, I have a few "operator"
> >questions about setting timing, etc etc
> >
> >fp
> 
> 
> [then finally this from Steve Gork one of the self-appointed DIY
> ombudsmen, who ALWAYS speak for the entire group whenever he speaks (oh
> yah), seemingly thanking Frank for quelling this ground-swell of
> misunderstanding (har de har har) about EGOR]
> 
> >From: Steve Gorkowski <kb4mxo at mwt.net>
> >Subject: Re: EGOR -> UEGO thanks
> >
> >Thanks frank hopefully this will help reduce egor questions.
> >
> >Steve
> 
> 
> The first guy doesn't see anything in 2 wks so declared the project
> "died on the proverbial vine", and when Bruce calls him on this, he
> first says, "Oh sir, was it my PRESUMPTION or my STUPIDITY that
> offendeth thee?", and finishes off by suggesting that Bruce's estute
> reading of his stupid "challenge" of "I think it's dead; prove me wrong"
> post somehow renders Bruce the haughty one. NOT.
> 
> Then, not to leave any stone unturned, Steve the Gork sends off a
> plaintive missive to Frank saying, "Gee, I too haven't heard anything
> lately". And then GENEROUSLY gives Frank permission to carry on the
> investigation "off list" with this
> 
> >If it is being done off this site with a select few that is ok just tell
the group
> 
> As if Frank or anyone else needed permission from this asshole or anyone
> ELSE on this group to do as they pleased with their own work. Gee, we're
> SOOOO thankful that "if it's being done offlist with a select few,
> that's OK", but will have to demure on the ORDER to "just tell the
> group". Nobody's gonna tell YOU shit, dude.
> 
> Frank, always the kindly gentleman, tells what he knows, and this Gork
> Dork has the gall and audacity to magesterially thank him for "helping
> reduce egor questions", as if this was a problem in the first place.
> 
> Now, it's REALLY not surprising that Gork the Dork would email Frank
> instead of me, cuz I had told the guy not to darken my inbox ever again,
> ever since he decided he WAS the group, and shot a few rounds across my
> bow about my prohibition of commercial exploitation of EGOR being "two
> faced".
> 
> I'll just say this about the thread above. I find the Parasite's
> technique standard fair for college preppy (oh god, there's that
> 'archaic' term again, fer shame) boys who think that taunting the guys
> that know the answer with "I don't think you know shit; prove you do by
> giving me a copy of your homework answers", as pretty standard fare for
> this junk mail list.
> 
> And Steve Gorkowski's emailing Frank directly about the project as a
> fishing expedition to find out if Frank has the goods yet, that I
> publically said I would be sending him, and if so, maybe he can talk
> Frank into giving this creep a copy of the circuit, which he ISN'T EVER
> gonna get any other way.
> 
> So my summary comments are:
> 
> To Bruce, and the other good guys on the list: don't waste yer breathe;
> you're gonna find that the more you offer to give these smarmy lil
> schoolboys, the more they're gonna say you owe them, just cuz you're so
> generous.
> 
> Which includes the To Frank: it's been eXcellent working with you on the
> EGOR project; too bad you haven't a better venue where your level of
> respect and collaboration could be returned to you in measure.
> 
> To the Parasite: nice try, especially on the righteous indignation part
> that suggested you were insinuating anything untoward by declaring the
> project dead after only a 2 week silence. Hee.
> 
> To Gork the Dork: you ain't every gonna touch any of MY goods dude, so
> you might as well go lookin for some more willing tit to suck on, cuz it
> ain't me, Dork.
> 
> To the rest of you pukes on the list: Hasta la vista, baby. Hee hee. If
> you want an EGOR or an ION, go fish. I guarantee you that no matter how
> many free copies I give to the good guys on this list, no matter how
> hard you try, you'll NEVER get a copy, or even be able to STEAL a copy
> from any of them. Technology provides all the protection I need. Heh.
> Consider THAT a challenge, dweebs.
> 
> Garfield
>