Intake manifold construction, intercoolers

[Bruce]

From: "Bernd Felsche" <bernie at innovative.iinet.net.au>
Subject: Re: Intake manifold construction, intercoolers
> Bruce tapped away at the keyboard with:
> > >From: "Bernd Felsche" <bernie at innovative.iinet.net.au
> > Various bits of snippage.
> > > EFI is appealing in mass market because it is CHEAP to build,
> > > install and maintain (over the nominal life of the car).
> > Ya, them $450 idle speed controllers are a real money saver.  What
> > did you say earlier one every 2 years until you figured out how to
> > clean it.
> It's $450 (Australian), so not as costly as you think. It's an
> inflated price anyway for Oz; at least double the dealer cost of the
> part in Germany. I only ever paid for the one.

Wiggle, wiggle.   Again we, ramble off into the AU economy.

> What does an emission-compliant carb cost, that delivers a better
> fuel consumption, driveability and performance from cold start, to
> hot start, to hot run (let alone emisssions) and never requires
> adjustment?

Tell me about this never requires adjustment EFI, that you want me to
compare it to.

> BTW: I get about 700km on 55 litres.

I get 703 snotmiles on 52 dwarfickes

> > > > Not to mention that competent engineer/tuners are quite
> > > > capable of making Weber DCOE/IDA carbys perform at least as
> > > > well as EFI !
> > > Under all nominal operating conditions? On all sorts of cars?
> > > At a price the customer can afford? I very much doubt that.
> > If a car can have DCOE(s) put on it, I'll bet I can tune it to the
> > same degree of customer satisfaction as any oem EFI.
> > I'd venture a guess, that item by item I could do a DCOE conversion
> > within the funding of retail replacement prices for an entire EFI.

> Let's forget about _retail_prices_ because they are artificially
> inflated. There are huge total margins from manufacturer to retail.
> The idle stabiliser probably costs VDO less than $20 to make.  I
> doubt very much that VW would have paid even double that, seeing
> that they would have ordered the units in the hundreds of thousands
> every few months.

You logic is really lacking.  You make comments contray to your own
statements,  that is really laughable.

> The opportunity for large margins in the after-market is not nearly
> so great. I'm not talking about fuzzy dice here. Productions runs
> are small so the initial cost is high. If you're pricing for the
> enthusiast market (i.e. not the pro-competition), then your retail
> price has to be somewhere near that of OEM. You can't therefore get
> a 500% markup from the part manufacturer to the wholesaler.
> Further down the food-chain, margins are susceptible to local market
> conditions; competition and market size. e.g. I could airfreight
> distributors from California, pay duties and taxes, and still make
> 100% on the items for retail to underprice the locally-sourced
> suppliers - who are only making 20% if they're lucky.
> There are economies of scale. For the "original parts" market, they
> can set their prices how they feel; based on what the market will
> bear. There's little correlation between cost and prices.

You made the statement, and now you trying to cover your silliness with more
off subject silly crap.

> Volkswagen would have paid much less than $1000 (US) for the entire
> injection system on my car. The "$1000" ECU has a PCB with $100
> worth of parts (at retail component prices). A quick addition of
> retail prices on the EFI components adds up to in excess of $5000.
> A long block replacement lists at $13,000 (plus 10% tax) without EFI
> and ancillaries.
> I bought the whole car, new, for $27,000, including taxes at the
> then-higher rate.
> Retail prices for original replacement parts have almost no
> correlation with actual costs. They are numbers that have fallen out
> of a random profit generator driven by accountants.

Again, your lack of appreciation for what happens to just be the REAL World
is showing.

> > Doubt it all you want, but just happens to be true.
> > Have you ever really *tuned* a DCOE?.
> No. I don't have a clue about DCOE in particular.
> Oh, there's a bar of soap. Does it look anything like that?

Oh so you are absolutely clueless, and yet feel free to comment on subject
matter that you again have no clues about.  Thanks for admitting again you
have no clue about what you profess to talk about, makes me curious if you
have any clues about the subjects you comment on.

> Solex, Mikuni and other Weber; yeah I've seen them and tweaked
> Solexes in my earlier VW. I won't flatter myself and call it
> "tuning" as it was only returning the components back to spec., but
> the result was a little better than before the exercise.

More ramblings of the poorly informed.
Bruce

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