plug readings vs electronics

Bruce nacelp at bright.net
Thu Oct 11 02:41:48 GMT 2001


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Not quite.
You can tune and go too high in EGT, and make lots of HP just before the =
engine fails.   EGT is just an indicator of what your running in =
relationship to the thermal limits of your engine.
If you EGT Probe is within 1.5" of your exhaust valve, and you see =
2100dF, your in serious trouble (unless using lots of barrier coatings, =
and exotic metals).  Thou you may see some really nice HP for a few =
seconds.   2000dF at the turbine (sustained), will generally crystillize =
it.
Bruce



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  Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:30 PM
  Subject: Re: plug readings vs electronics


  Actually, to carry this farther, EGT should only be used as a =
monitoring device AFTER getting the engine tuned on a dyno and =
determining what temperature your specific engine runs at.  Otherwise =
you could get a baseline of what it normally runs at, and then =
monitoring for variances in temp to detect problems, but other than that =
it's really difficult to use one by itself for engine tuning.  Unlike =
popular belief temperatures will rise if the mixture is too rich or =
lean, in addition to if you're knocking.=20

  =20

    Bruce <nacelp at bright.net> wrote:=20


    Startin to look like all this may vary some by application, which is =
what my point was.   While one might state what is true for his =
application, doesn't make it a universal statement.
    EGT is nothiing more then a tuning tool, and you need to learn what =
the magic numbers are for various applications. =20
    Bruce



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      To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org=20
      Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 9:24 PM
      Subject: Re: plug readings vs electronics


      My talon had a temp of aroun 1500F.  This was about 6" from the =
head.=20

        TwoLnBlktp90 at aol.com wrote:=20

        temps will go up very quickly when you are starting to detonate, =
letting you know you need to back off a little bit.=20

        I'm not sure if the temp is universal, but for my DSM its =
somewhere around 1280F, this is of course affected by how far from the =
head the probe is set.=20

        You can also get a data logger that will tell you the knock =
count.=20

        Ricky=20




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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You can tune and go too high in EGT, =
and make lots=20
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your running in relationship to the thermal limits of your =
engine.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you EGT Probe is within 1.5" of your =
exhaust=20
valve, and you see 2100dF, your in serious trouble (unless using lots of =
barrier=20
coatings, and exotic metals).&nbsp; Thou you may see some really nice HP =
for a=20
few seconds.&nbsp;&nbsp; 2000dF at the turbine (sustained), will =
generally=20
crystillize it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bruce</FONT></DIV>
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  <P>Actually, to carry this farther, EGT should only be used as a =
monitoring=20
  device AFTER getting the engine tuned on a dyno and determining what=20
  temperature your specific engine runs at.&nbsp; Otherwise you could =
get a=20
  baseline of what it normally runs at, and then monitoring for =
variances in=20
  temp to detect problems, but other than that it's really difficult to =
use one=20
  by itself for engine tuning.&nbsp; Unlike popular belief temperatures =
will=20
  rise if the mixture is too rich or lean, in addition to if you're =
knocking.=20
  <P>=20
  <P>&nbsp; <B><I>Bruce &lt;nacelp at bright.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:=20
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Startin to look like all this may =
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>EGT is nothiing more then a tuning =
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    you need to learn what the magic numbers are for various =
applications.&nbsp;=20
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      <P>My talon had a temp of aroun 1500F.&nbsp; This was about 6" =
from the=20
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a little=20
        bit. <BR><BR>I'm not sure if the temp is universal, but for my =
DSM its=20
        somewhere around 1280F, this is of course affected by how far =
from the=20
        head the probe is set. <BR><BR>You can also get a data logger =
that will=20
        tell you the knock count. <BR><BR>Ricky</FONT> =
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