What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy?

[Bruce]

Did you read the user's agreement?.
That set the conditions, your opinon about them is meaningless.
People either say, yes or no.
It's just that simple.

Pity some folks still can't grasp that
Bruce




----- Original Message -----
From: "David Hunt" <dhunt16 at yahoo.com>
To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>; "gmecm" <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy?


> Just because someone wants to profit doesn't mean that someone else can't
> perform the service.  Peter wants to be compensated for his time...so?
Let
> him advertise his services ELSEWHERE and see if someone else wants to step
> up to the plate.  If no one else wants to perform the service and Peter is
> the low bidder then let him have at it!
>
> I don't mind that Peter is performing the service.  I do mind that he is
> advertising on this group which is definitely against the rules, as I
> understand them.  I don't know what the exchange rate is but $5 US to fill
> out the paperwork, order, count and etc. is really quite reasonable.
That's
> not the point.  I feel he must ADVERTISE his services elsewhere.
>
> Just like Al Lipper who is constantly trying to get free (for all
practical
> purposes) consulting these issues should be discussed elsewhere.  The only
> way to solve the problem is to ignore them.
>
> Actually, I would hope that one and only one person would reply to the
> offer.  I bet there would be no work done.
>
> To all that  would profit from this list...there are about 300 members.
> Many of these 300 have every tool that could be imagined for this type
work.
> Many would do it themselves if it took months and months of dedicated
> effort.  Many would do nothing, no matter the gain.  Many are in other
> countries.  And so forth and so on.  This is not a place to market any
> product.  If all the correspondents were to purchase a product with a $5
> profit it would be a total of $1,500.
>
> So both sides, get real!
>
> 1)  There is no money to be made on this list - probably time won't be
paid.
>
> 2) No one is offering services on this list for a PROFIT.
>
> I did artwork for a version of the WB for free and offered it, along with
> schematic...etc.  No control, no strings etc.
>
> Regarding "What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy?" nothing yet.  It's up
to
> the Aussies.  All the Aussies.
>
> dh
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scot Sealander" <Sealand at clarityconnect.com>
> To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>; "gmecm" <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 10:45 AM
> Subject: What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy?
>
>
> > Or, How greed screwed things up.....
> >
> > First, Bruce wanted a DIY_WB.  He did not have the skills to do it
> > himself.  But what he did have, was the ability to get some other folks
> > together to get it done.  After numerous expensive set backs, several
> > years, lots of prodding, poking, and learning, the first prototype was
> > born.  This came from a lot of effort from among others, Chad Clendening
> > (did I spell that right?).  Did I mention Bruce spent a lot of his own
> > money to get sensors, data and so forth?  Remember that.
> >
> > A few built it, and it worked.  At the pow-wow last March, several
> > others got together and realized that some of the basic prototype
> > circuitry could be improved upon.  With that task done, it was again
> > tried, and it worked.  Boards were designed, built and paid for behind
> > the scenes by a loyal few.  By this time, a lot of time, energy, dollars
> > and work had been invested by a relatively small amount of dedicated
> > folks.
> >
> > At last, a true DIY_WB was about ready for the masses.  All the folks
> > who put all that time, money, effort and dedication into the project was
> > to ask that no one try to make any money off the deal. Pretty simple,
> > huh?  Everybody continue in the spirit that has been laid down.  Pass it
> > on for free.
> >
> > Then we get someone a long the line who says something like, "I will
> > handle parts, but I need 20 dollars a piece to do it".  Go back and read
> > it, it was "cost plus".  Definitely not the spirit that originally got
> > the job done.  Then to add insult to injury, we had several call the
> > originator mean spirited for calling him on it, with the tone in the
> > message of "I WANT MINE!".  Well, you got it.  Hurl your invectives at
> > the one who wanted to make money off other peoples efforts, not the one
> > who brought it to you.
> >
> >
> > Scot Sealander
>
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