F1, trickle-down, etc.

[Bob Wooten]

I don't see that 7K is that much for what you get.  $7K for something that
runs low 11's high 10's in the quarter, & 160 mph on the free way, is not
that bad, IMO.  try to find a production car that will do that, cant.
$/performance, bikes rule.  $/lb, they suck.  $/safety factor, they suck.
Seems to me that it comes down to expectations.

BW

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-diy_efi at diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi at diy-efi.org]On
Behalf Of Bruce
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 5:38 PM
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Subject: Re: F1, trickle-down, etc.


Couple weeks ago I was just tracking down coolants to see if any of the
monster bikes used anything really trick.  made the rounds of Suzi, Kawa,
Hond, Yama, and all the big stuff *started* at $7K.
Bruce



----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Wooten" <r71chevy at earthlink.net>
To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 8:30 PM
Subject: RE: F1, trickle-down, etc.


> HD's or Honda's?  I am not much into the HD's, but the Honda's I can (&
> have) get into.
>
> BW
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-diy_efi at diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi at diy-efi.org]On
> Behalf Of Bruce
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 5:17 PM
> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Subject: Re: F1, trickle-down, etc.
>
>
>
> When's the last time you looked at new big bike prices?.
> They are totally insane,
> Bruce
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Wooten" <r71chevy at earthlink.net>
> To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 8:03 PM
> Subject: RE: F1, trickle-down, etc.
>
>
> > how much stuff do you see coming off an F1 car & onto a production based
> car
> > that Johnny Middle level management can afford, my bet, next to nothing.
> > how much comes off of Race bikes that gets into production bikes, quite
a
> > bit.  upside down forks, single sided swing arms, EFI (which was an EPA
> > thing not a technology thing, IMO), ram air systems, etc.
> >
> > I talk about real world things that us schmos can afford, not F1, or GP,
> > stuff that only an elite few can afford.  I suppose that if I could
afford
> > it I could buy an F1 motor & stick it into my Camaro, now that would be
> > trick, but kinda defeats the DIY part that I enjoy.
> >
> > BW
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hmm...For several years now, Kevin Cameron, an engineer who writes an
> > excellent column for _Cycle World_, has said exactly the opposite.
> > Current F1 engines have far higher specific outputs than current
> > front-line 4-stroke motorcycle engines.  Pneumatic valve gear is not
used
> > by any of the bikes.  None of them approach the insane piston speeds
> > currently seen by F1 engines, nor do they use materials anywhere near as
> > exotic.  The 2-strokes used by the premier classes are not particularly
> > sophisticated, and haven't been developed to significantly higher power
> > levels in several years, primarily because their chassis and tires
simply
> > won't handle anymore than they have.
> >
> > On street bikes, fuel injection has only very recently become
commonplace,
> > and still isn't universal on even the best-selling sporting machines.
> >
> > Now that the premier class is switching from 2-strokes to 4-strokes, I
> > expect we'll see some catching up.  But the very fact that they have to
> > play catch up indicates that bikes are, in fact, quite a ways behind
cars
> > in the technology stakes.  Most bike companies are relatively small, and
> > have tiny race budgets in compared to the F1 budgets of Mercedes, BMW,
> > Renault, and Ford.  Honda is alone in serving both camps, and has
> > certainly lead the 4-stroke charge in bike engines historically.
> >
> > Perhaps 20 years ago, your statement was true.  It certainly hasn't
> > been for the last 10 years, however.
> >
> > james montebello
> >
> >
> >
>
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