F1, trickle-down, etc.

[Bob Wooten]

Yup.

BW

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-diy_efi at diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi at diy-efi.org]On
Behalf Of Bruce
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 6:28 PM
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Subject: Re: F1, trickle-down, etc.



Trouble is bikes are about invisible to the average land barge driver, and
rain can take a little of the fun out of a bike day, never mind snow, etc..

$7K wisely spent, can make for a very interesting 2 dr ride.
Bruce


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Wooten" <r71chevy at earthlink.net>
To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 8:42 PM
Subject: RE: F1, trickle-down, etc.


> I don't see that 7K is that much for what you get.  $7K for something that
> runs low 11's high 10's in the quarter, & 160 mph on the free way, is not
> that bad, IMO.  try to find a production car that will do that, cant.
> $/performance, bikes rule.  $/lb, they suck.  $/safety factor, they suck.
> Seems to me that it comes down to expectations.
>
> BW
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-diy_efi at diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi at diy-efi.org]On
> Behalf Of Bruce
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 5:38 PM
> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Subject: Re: F1, trickle-down, etc.
>
>
> Couple weeks ago I was just tracking down coolants to see if any of the
> monster bikes used anything really trick.  made the rounds of Suzi, Kawa,
> Hond, Yama, and all the big stuff *started* at $7K.
> Bruce
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Wooten" <r71chevy at earthlink.net>
> To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 8:30 PM
> Subject: RE: F1, trickle-down, etc.
>
>
> > HD's or Honda's?  I am not much into the HD's, but the Honda's I can (&
> > have) get into.
> >
> > BW
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-diy_efi at diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi at diy-efi.org]On
> > Behalf Of Bruce
> > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 5:17 PM
> > To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > Subject: Re: F1, trickle-down, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > When's the last time you looked at new big bike prices?.
> > They are totally insane,
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bob Wooten" <r71chevy at earthlink.net>
> > To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 8:03 PM
> > Subject: RE: F1, trickle-down, etc.
> >
> >
> > > how much stuff do you see coming off an F1 car & onto a production
based
> > car
> > > that Johnny Middle level management can afford, my bet, next to
nothing.
> > > how much comes off of Race bikes that gets into production bikes,
quite
> a
> > > bit.  upside down forks, single sided swing arms, EFI (which was an
EPA
> > > thing not a technology thing, IMO), ram air systems, etc.
> > >
> > > I talk about real world things that us schmos can afford, not F1, or
GP,
> > > stuff that only an elite few can afford.  I suppose that if I could
> afford
> > > it I could buy an F1 motor & stick it into my Camaro, now that would
be
> > > trick, but kinda defeats the DIY part that I enjoy.
> > >
> > > BW
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hmm...For several years now, Kevin Cameron, an engineer who writes an
> > > excellent column for _Cycle World_, has said exactly the opposite.
> > > Current F1 engines have far higher specific outputs than current
> > > front-line 4-stroke motorcycle engines.  Pneumatic valve gear is not
> used
> > > by any of the bikes.  None of them approach the insane piston speeds
> > > currently seen by F1 engines, nor do they use materials anywhere near
as
> > > exotic.  The 2-strokes used by the premier classes are not
particularly
> > > sophisticated, and haven't been developed to significantly higher
power
> > > levels in several years, primarily because their chassis and tires
> simply
> > > won't handle anymore than they have.
> > >
> > > On street bikes, fuel injection has only very recently become
> commonplace,
> > > and still isn't universal on even the best-selling sporting machines.
> > >
> > > Now that the premier class is switching from 2-strokes to 4-strokes, I
> > > expect we'll see some catching up.  But the very fact that they have
to
> > > play catch up indicates that bikes are, in fact, quite a ways behind
> cars
> > > in the technology stakes.  Most bike companies are relatively small,
and
> > > have tiny race budgets in compared to the F1 budgets of Mercedes, BMW,
> > > Renault, and Ford.  Honda is alone in serving both camps, and has
> > > certainly lead the 4-stroke charge in bike engines historically.
> > >
> > > Perhaps 20 years ago, your statement was true.  It certainly hasn't
> > > been for the last 10 years, however.
> > >
> > > james montebello
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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