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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Chrysler ODB2 / VSS question (Djfreggens at aol.com)
2. Re: Ball Bearing vs. Plain Bearing (Djfreggens at aol.com)
3. RE: Ball Bearing vs. Plain Bearing (efi student)
4. RE: Chrysler ODB2 / VSS question (Martin Lebeau)
5. RE: Chrysler ODB2 / VSS question (Mike Schwall)
6. RE: This turbo assist stuff, suggestions (Mike Schwall)
7. Re: This turbo assist stuff, suggestions (Mike)
8. Re: This turbo assist stuff, suggestions (Mike)
9. Re: This turbo assist stuff, suggestions (Matt Porritt)
10. Re: This turbo assist stuff, suggestions (Bernd Felsche)
11. Re: This turbo assist stuff, suggestions (Mike)
12. Re: This turbo assist stuff, suggestions (Mike)
13. Re: This turbo assist stuff, suggestions (Bernd Felsche)
14. Re: This turbo assist stuff, suggestions (Matt Porritt)
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Message: 1
From: Djfreggens at aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 22:26:58 EST
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Chrysler ODB2 / VSS question
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
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the only way the trouble code will stay after a battery reset is if the
problem is still persistent. also crhsylers later obd2 chrysler have a code
history so even when current static code are cleared there will be a basic
non violitale copy kept on the flash chip. its way more complcated then a
battery/power down code clearing clear.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"
FACE="Arial" LANG="0">the only way the trouble code will stay after a
battery reset is if the problem is still persistent. also crhsylers later
obd2 chrysler have a code history so even when current static code are
cleared there will be a basic non violitale copy kept on the flash chip. its
way more complcated then a battery/power down code clearing clear.
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Message: 2
From: Djfreggens at aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 22:28:55 EST
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Ball Bearing vs. Plain Bearing
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get in contact with gary at relentlessperformance.com hes a big turbo fwd
mopar guy and im sure he might have a bit of definivitve testing to porve
disprove your idea.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"
FACE="Arial" LANG="0">get in contact with gary at
relentlessperformance.com hes a big turbo fwd mopar guy and im sure he
might have a bit of definivitve testing to porve disprove your idea.
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Message: 3
From: "efi student" <efi.student at sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: RE: [Diy_efi] Ball Bearing vs. Plain Bearing
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 19:41:55 -0800
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Thanks very much for a useful reply!
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Lance
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get in contact with gary at relentlessperformance.com hes a big turbo = fwd
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 22:54:48 -0500
From: Martin Lebeau <siffleu at siffleu.com>
Subject: RE: [Diy_efi] Chrysler ODB2 / VSS question
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anyone can confirm for the application asked ? (sebring)
in other word, will doing a connect/disconnect/re-connect of the VSS will
leave permanent mark into the PCM ?
On the Rams with autos, if the speed sensor is removed from the axle,
the PCM will use the output speed sensor in the tranny as a backup. The
Rams stopped using the VSS in '99. It now uses a sensor mounted on the
axle housing that reads the teeth on a tone ring bolted to the ring
gear. Not sure how the cars are handled, but you will get a MIL and an
ABS light (if equipped). Once the VSS is reconnected, a set number of
cycles will turn the lights off, or simply disconnect the battery.
Mike
(new subscriber)
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Behalf Of Martin Lebeau
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 8:26 PM
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Subject: [Diy_efi] Chrysler ODB2 / VSS question
Hi there,
For testing purpose, I want to know if the removing the VSS during X
duration of time will leave a permanent mark that will not disapear
after a "reset" ( battery unplug during 30 minutes ). The car is a
Sebring 2003.
thanks
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<BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial
size=2>anyone can confirm for the
application asked ? (sebring)</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>in other word, will doing a
connect/disconnect/re-connect of the VSS will leave permanent mark into the
PCM
?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>On the
Rams
with autos, if the speed sensor is removed from the axle,<BR>the PCM will
use
the output speed sensor in the tranny as a backup. The<BR>Rams
stopped
using the VSS in '99. It now uses a sensor mounted on the<BR>axle
housing that reads the teeth on a tone ring bolted to the
ring<BR>gear.
Not sure how the cars are handled, but you will get a MIL and an<BR>ABS
light
(if equipped). Once the VSS is reconnected, a set number
of<BR>cycles
will turn the lights off, or simply disconnect the
battery.<BR><BR>Mike<BR>(new subscriber)<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: </FONT><A
href="mailto:diy_efi-admin at diy-efi.org"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>diy_efi-admin at diy-efi.org</FONT></A><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> [mailto:diy_efi-admin at diy-efi.org]
On<BR>Behalf
Of Martin Lebeau<BR>Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 8:26 PM<BR>To:
</FONT><A
href="mailto:diy_efi at diy-efi.org"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3>diy_efi at diy-efi.org</FONT></A><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3>Subject: [Diy_efi] Chrysler ODB2 / VSS question<BR><BR><BR>Hi
there,<BR> For testing purpose, I want to know if the
removing the VSS during X<BR>duration of time will leave a permanent mark
that
will not disapear<BR>after a "reset" ( battery unplug during 30 minutes ).
The
car is a<BR>Sebring
2003.<BR><BR>thanks</FONT><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>
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Message: 5
From: "Mike Schwall" <mschwall at cox.net>
To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
Subject: RE: [Diy_efi] Chrysler ODB2 / VSS question
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 22:07:17 -0600
Reply-To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
True, type A codes are single instance problems that triggers a code & MIL
and creates a stored history code. This history should be erasable using an
OBD scanner. Type A codes are caused by certain severe emission problems
that only a single instance of a malfunction will trigger the code and light
as well as a stored history code. Not sure how the VSS ranks in priority
(from A-D) or how the VSS is used with the emissions equipment, but I doubt
the lack of speed information is going to cause a major emissions problem.
YMMV, IMO
Mike
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Of Djfreggens at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 9:27 PM
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Chrysler ODB2 / VSS question
the only way the trouble code will stay after a battery reset is if the
problem is still persistent. also crhsylers later obd2 chrysler have a code
history so even when current static code are cleared there will be a basic
non violitale copy kept on the flash chip. its way more complcated then a
battery/power down code clearing clear.
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Message: 6
From: "Mike Schwall" <mschwall at cox.net>
To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
Subject: RE: [Diy_efi] This turbo assist stuff, suggestions
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 22:30:54 -0600
Reply-To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Correct, the materials are applied using plasma spray process. Though I've
heard of it used in power generation turbines, not sure exactly what coating
materials are used in the military and high output commercial engines. The
PW4056 is one of the available engines used in the 747 (thrust depends on
747 series). The PW4056 is a 56,000lb thrust model with 94" diameter fan.
Guess I should introduce myself since I'm new here. I work for Veridian
Engineering. My main function is to provide support for our robots that are
used to perform eddy current inspection of military jet engine parts. Our
robots are used around the globe with foreign military forces as well as jet
engine part manufacturers. My work is mostly on a US AFB, but have done
support for Pratt & Whitney, Techspace Aero in Belgium, and two foreign
military forces. I have a good electronics background and currently
supplementing my education with a degree in Mechanical Engineering and later
Aerospace Engineering.
Mike
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> From: diy_efi-admin at diy-efi.org
> [mailto:diy_efi-admin at diy-efi.org] On Behalf Of Jay Wallace
> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 7:31 PM
> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] This turbo assist stuff, suggestions
>
>
> For those who haven't completely tired of this thread...
>
> I believe that the turbine blades in the 747 are not ceramic but are
> ceramic coated - thermal barrier coating consisting of
> zirconium oxide -
> yttrium oxide probably put on by physical vapor deposition.
> These coatings
> are classified as not prime reliant (or some such) meaning
> that if the
> coatings fail, the entire engine does not fail.
>SNIP
>
> Jay
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 13:00:05 +0800
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
From: Mike <erazmus at iinet.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] This turbo assist stuff, suggestions
Reply-To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
At 11:42 AM 1/2/03 +1300, you wrote:
>Im in NZ! :)
mmmm, Dont worry I wont hold it against you ;-)
Hey, I hear there are heaps of twin cam twin turbo jap imports on your
shores, supra, nissan etc. I hear rumour that NZ has relaxed import rules re
automotives, parts and cars...
rgds
mike
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>
>On 1/1/03 11:40 PM Mike wrote
>
>> Are you in Perth ?
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 13:02:03 +0800
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
From: Mike <erazmus at iinet.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] This turbo assist stuff, suggestions
Reply-To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
At 08:51 AM 1/2/03 +0800, you wrote:
>IIRC, on a Boeing 747 the first stage turbine's blades are largely
>"ceramic".
>
>Ceramics ar more dimensionally-stable under high temperature.
Yeah sure, quite happy with that, avionics equipment (fortunately) is rather
differently rated to engines which mostly travel at STP...
Hey - did you get the ping prob resolved on your Digifant ?
rgds
Mike
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 18:26:56 +1300
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] This turbo assist stuff, suggestions
From: Matt Porritt <porrittm at anet.co.nz>
To: DIY-EFI <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
Reply-To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
This place 'was' like little Japan for imports.. Cheap as chips.. UNTIL
early last year when they changed the crash rules for vehicles and nothing
Pre95 can come in and be reg anymore.. The R33 range has only the GTR avail
now ;( Parts and mods are lax.. Anything you want almost.. Certs are
becoming a lot more common but the engineers certing the cars are looking at
safety aspects etc, not being tight pricks which is good.. Keeps cut springs
off the road etc.
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RC Race Cars and Supplies
ICQ #22776813
On 2/1/03 6:00 PM Mike wrote
>
> Hey, I hear there are heaps of twin cam twin turbo jap imports on your
> shores, supra, nissan etc. I hear rumour that NZ has relaxed import
> rules re automotives, parts and cars...
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:30:58 +0800
From: Bernd Felsche <bernie at innovative.iinet.net.au>
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] This turbo assist stuff, suggestions
Reply-To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 01:02:03PM +0800, Mike wrote:
> At 08:51 AM 1/2/03 +0800, you wrote:
> >IIRC, on a Boeing 747 the first stage turbine's blades are largely
> >"ceramic".
> >Ceramics ar more dimensionally-stable under high temperature.
> Yeah sure, quite happy with that, avionics equipment (fortunately) is
> rather differently rated to engines which mostly travel at STP...
> Hey - did you get the ping prob resolved on your Digifant ?
No; no "problem" resolved except by feeding it Ultimate 98 and coping with a
"power loss" when the air's too dry to allow maximum advance.
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 13:41:29 +0800
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
From: Mike <erazmus at iinet.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] This turbo assist stuff, suggestions
Reply-To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
At 01:30 PM 1/2/03 +0800, you wrote:
>No; no "problem" resolved except by feeding it Ultimate 98 and coping
>with a "power loss" when the air's too dry to allow maximum advance.
Did you mis my post re ignition cap, errors in schematics, Bosch amp
topology etc ?
Because I had a similar problem to yours re pinging which went away like
chalk vs cheese when I replaced the ignition coil cap...
Rgds
Mike
Perth, Western Australia
Some power/auto stuff here:- http://www.iinet.net.au/~erazmus
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 13:55:28 +0800
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
From: Mike <erazmus at iinet.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] This turbo assist stuff, suggestions
Reply-To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
mmmm Interesting, I'd be curious to see what sort of prices the RB26DETT
motors go for, or the RB25DET heads. I heard rumour that a container full of
heads and turbos went to NZ about 12 months ago and there were items in
news:aus.cars selling T3 equivalents complete for $100 a pop !
rgds
mike
At 06:26 PM 1/2/03 +1300, you wrote:
>This place 'was' like little Japan for imports.. Cheap as chips.. UNTIL
>early last year when they changed the crash rules for vehicles and
>nothing Pre95 can come in and be reg anymore.. The R33 range has only
>the GTR avail now ;( Parts and mods are lax.. Anything you want
>almost.. Certs are becoming a lot more common but the engineers certing
>the cars are looking at safety aspects etc, not being tight pricks
>which is good.. Keeps cut springs off the road etc.
>--
>Matt Porritt
>RC Race Cars and Supplies
>ICQ #22776813
>
>
>On 2/1/03 6:00 PM Mike wrote
>
>>
>> Hey, I hear there are heaps of twin cam twin turbo jap imports on
>> your shores, supra, nissan etc. I hear rumour that NZ has relaxed
>> import rules re automotives, parts and cars...
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:26:11 +0800
From: Bernd Felsche <bernie at innovative.iinet.net.au>
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] This turbo assist stuff, suggestions
Reply-To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 01:41:29PM +0800, Mike wrote:
> At 01:30 PM 1/2/03 +0800, you wrote:
> >No; no "problem" resolved except by feeding it Ultimate 98 and coping
> >with a "power loss" when the air's too dry to allow maximum advance.
> Did you mis my post re ignition cap, errors in schematics, Bosch amp
> topology etc ?
I didn't mis it... but it was only last year and I've been far too busy with
work over the "holidays".
Also didn't want to risk installing a capacitor that may have caused the
ignition system to fail... adding capacitance may not be "welcome" by the
ignition amplifier and finding a replacement part at this time of year is
even less likely than me getting a day away from work about now.
There is no capacitor fitted to the vehicle, shown in any schematic or
appearing anywhere in the parts catalogue for that type of engine management
system.
> Because I had a similar problem to yours re pinging which went away
> like chalk vs cheese when I replaced the ignition coil cap...
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 21:19:24 +1300
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] This turbo assist stuff, suggestions
From: Matt Porritt <porrittm at anet.co.nz>
To: DIY-EFI <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
Reply-To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
t3s for 100 a pop??
If you've smoked some! :)
We do have A LOT of Nissan gear and performance parts for them here in NZ.
Last RB26 motor I sourced was about $6k nz. T3s are $300-1000. Oz has
pricing on them prob better than us due the to Vl turbo in which are rare as
over here A RB20DET here is like rice in China..
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RC Race Cars and Supplies
ICQ #22776813
On 2/1/03 6:55 PM Mike wrote
> mmmm Interesting, I'd be curious to see what sort of prices the
> RB26DETT motors go for, or the RB25DET heads. I heard rumour that a
> container full of heads and turbos went to NZ about 12 months ago and
> there were items in news:aus.cars selling T3 equivalents complete for
> $100 a pop !
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