[Diy_efi] timeframe to get equal fuel distribution

[Bevan Weiss]

I was thinking about that kind of idea, but I wouldn't be too sure of having
the rings passing over the injector opening all those times...
It would be very hard to mount the injector such that it is perfectly flush
with the cylinder wall.  Too far into the cylinder and that would be too
nasty to think of... too far back and you'd get quite a bit of ring blowby.

----- Original Message -----
From: "gngrbrd_man" <keith.wilson at telus.net>
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Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] timeframe to get equal fuel distribution


> I think what may be being missed here is that the fuel injector can be
> placed in the cylinder wall, below the ring level during
> compression/ignition/early burn, so that it is only exposed to the
cylinder
> pressure when the piston is far enough down that the exhaust port is
> uncovered, meaning that the gases the injector might be exposed to would
> already be expanding and cooling as they rushed out the exhaust port.
> However the lower the injector is placed, the less time there is to
inject,
> so this also is a tradeoff.
> Come to think of it, this just made me think of a rotary.  It may be
> possible to do direct injection into the moving 'chamber' in such a way
that
> the trailing seal moves past the injector just before the leading seal
> passes the plug, giving "direct injection" into the compressing gases,
long
> after the exhaust port is closed, but not into the combustion chamber.
> Viola, no fuel blowthrough, even with long port overlap, but less
complexity
> than true DGI. ;)
> Keith
>
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> not when you have nothing more to add,
> but when you have nothing more to take away.
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>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Wade" <espresso_doppio at yahoo.com>
> To: "List for general do-it-yourself EFI talk" <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 11:26 PM
> Subject: RE: [Diy_efi] timeframe to get equal fuel distribution
>
>
> | --- joeld <joeld at ualberta.ca> wrote:
> |
> | > These injectors have been designed for this
> | > application. They will not melt.
> |
> | Okay, so they are the "stock" GDI injectors, then?
> |
> | What method of stratified charge are they using?  If
> | it is a two-stroke and based on the Orbital design, I
> | believe they are using a spray-guided philosophy,
> | which would seem to require that you move the pocket
> | in the head/piston along with the spark plug if you
> | move the injector...
> |
> | Where did the system come from that you are using?
> |
> | > They will not have to endure high pressures at all.
> | > 2 stroke pressure is entirely different from 4
> | > stroke.
> |
> | Well, combustion pressure is combustion pressure.  I
> | don't think it matters how many cycles the engine
> | uses, when you light off the mixture, a peak pressure
> | is reached.  :D
> |
> | > If the injectors are placed correctly, they
> | > can easilly be held in by the fuel rail only
> |
> | I guess maybe I'm not understanding what you are
> | trying to do.  GDI, correct?  Injector within the
> | limits of the combustion chamber at TDC?  Or within
> | one of the ports in the cylinder?  Or inside a pocket
> | in the cylinder head behind a rotary valve?
> |
> | > We have looked extensively into all the DI systems,
> | > more than the average person has access to. With our
> | > budjet, none are feasable to be adapted to other
> | > engines.
> |
> | Heck, I don't think any can be adapted to most
> | engines.  You have to adapt the engine and they system
> | around each other, to some degree, by my
> | understanding.  You can't just modify a GDI system to
> | work on a particular engine.
> |
> | > This will work and has been done before, I just
> | > wanted some creative input
> |
> | I guess if *I* am to be of any real help, I need more
> | details.  I'm not even sure what it is specifically
> | that you are asking.
> |
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