[Diy_efi] Another Eprom Question

Bevan Weiss kaizen__ at hotmail.com
Wed Jan 26 06:02:28 GMT 2005 

I think the problem is quite different than what everyone else has
suggested.
I'd guess that you're creating all your images seperately then joining them
together, then placing one checksum on the whole combination.
Each image needs it's own checksum independent of all the others.  And these
checksums have to be located within their independent memory ranges where
the ECU will look.  On top of this they have to be correct ofcourse.  So if
you modify the base image, then you will need to regenerate the desired
checksum for it.


Regards,
Bevan
 

-----Original Message-----
From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] On
Behalf Of mbelloli at speedymotorsports.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:32 PM
To: A list for Do-It-Yourself EFI
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Another Eprom Question

Thanks, I'll give it a look.  I didn't debounce the switches.  I had tried
using some very different chips the first time around.  But as you mentioned
I now based all my chips on the exact same baseline chip.  I was thinking my
future design was to use 2 banks as you've said as a frame buffer.  Make my
changes to the bank not in use, and then switch banks.
     Why don't I have to worry about the OE and CE lines?  Just change the
address lines and I'm all good? I'm going to give it a try.  I'll be using a
pic to do the switching now, so maybe that will take care of the debounce
issue.  I just figured if it wasn't working with my rotary switch it
wouldn't work with the pic.  But the rotary switch was not debounced.  Maybe
that was the center of my problem.  When I get to work tomorrow I'll have a
new program ready to go, and give it a try.
Thanks,
Marcello



> Hi guys
>
> this topic came up many years ago on this list .....im not sure how 
> far back the archives go but i did explain in depth back then.  Its 
> been a while since i did a bank of 4 .....done many 2 way but the 
> major problems were:
>
> all 4 eprom images need to be from the same base profile then mods 
> made
>
> debound curcit or judt pull down resistors need to be used to stop the 
> ripple effect of the switching
>
> make sure you have a good +5 volt into the new chip.
>
> you should not need to use the CE for switching at all .....all 
> switching should be done from the top 2 address lines .....dig through 
> the archives ...  I did post drawings for all to use.  If not i will 
> see if i can dig em up.
>
> Justin
>
>
>
> Quoting mbelloli at speedymotorsports.com:
>
>>      Ok, I just checked that the access times.  The stock original 
>> chip had no better than a 150ns access time.  My 29C010 has a 70ns 
>> access time.  So I've got that covered.  I'm better than 1/2 the 
>> original access time.
>>  Mab
>> > What's the access time on the 29C010?  is it as fast or faster than
>> the
>> > original EPROM?  if not that could be the problem.
>> >
>> >
>> > -------Original Message-------
>> >
>> > From: mbelloli at speedymotorsports.com
>> > Date: 01/25/05 20:00:42
>> > To: A list for Do-It-Yourself EFI
>> > Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Another Eprom Question
>> >
>> > I sure hope not!  I'm really trying to get this all set up to do 
>> > minut changes on the fly.  I need an eeprom to be able to do that.  
>> > Soon
>> enough
>> > here I'll have it so I just am changing a small part of the whole
>> program
>> > instead of the whole thing.  I want to be able to make changes to 
>> > the fuel table, and spark table while driving.  Not just switch out 
>> > one chip
>> for
>> > another.
>> > Thanks,
>> > Marcello
>> >
>> >> wonder if part of the problem isn't the 29C010...  I'd try it with 
>> >> a 27C010 and see if you have the same problem...
>> >>
>> >> -------Original Message-------
>> >>
>> >> From: mbelloli at speedymotorsports.com
>> >> Date: 01/25/05 18:17:19
>> >> To: A list for Do-It-Yourself EFI
>> >> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Another Eprom Question
>> >>
>> >>      That is basically what I have now, but it is setting the 
>> >> check engine.  And you will have basically a prom error, and the 
>> >> vehicle running off something other than the chip.  It runs like 
>> >> crap.  This is in a 1993 Acura Integra with a GSR motor, and a p28
computer.
>> >> Stock came with a 27C256.  It already had an eprom in it.  Now it 
>> >> doesn't do it every time.  I like every third time it will set the 
>> >> check engine lamp.  you'll have to clear codes, or disconnect the 
>> >> battery to get it running correctly again.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> Marcello
>> >>
>> >>>  Back in 87 I was running a 27C512 with 4 programs on my Buick GN...
>> >>> had a small board the chip was on and a shielded ribbon going to 
>> >>> the ECM.
>> >>> would toggle the 2 highest address bytes with a thumbwheel on the
>> dash
>> >>> to
>> >>> change banks and did it on the fly all the time with no CE light.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -------Original Message-------
>> >>>
>> >>> From: mbelloli at speedymotorsports.com
>> >>> Date: 01/25/05 15:13:07
>> >>> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>> >>> Subject: [Diy_efi] Another Eprom Question
>> >>>
>> >>> Hello everyone,
>> >>> I have been pulling my hair out trying to figure out another one 
>> >>> of these chipping ideas. I am trying to set up a controller to 
>> >>> allow the switching of which chip the ecm of a car computer is 
>> >>> running on the fly while driving. Currently I've got it working 
>> >>> very well if you switch with the key off, but not while running. 
>> >>> The original chip was a 27C256, which switched out for an ATMEL 
>> >>> AT29C010. I really only wanted 4 choices, which this chip more 
>> >>> than allows. I am trying to set it up so I can have pic processor 
>> >>> do the switching for me. I cound't put a picture of the waveform 
>> >>> that is driving me crazy here so I put it on my website at
>> >>>
>> >>> https://home.comcast.net/~hexibot43/ChipEnableLogic.htm
>> >>>
>> >>> I just can't understand why it is working right now with the 
>> >>> signal
>> I
>> >>> have
>> >>> on the Output enable pin. From what I understand it shouldn't be 
>> >>> working, but it is working. I thought I was going to simply look 
>> >>> at the
>> signal,
>> >>> and see drops to ground like I did with the last car computer I
>> looked
>> >>> at.
>> >>> I figured I could use that as a trigger for an interrupt the 
>> >>> would
>> in
>> >>> turn wait a set amount of time and then switch banks. This way I
>> could
>> >>> do
>> >>> the switching when the chip was not be read from, and so the ecm
>> would
>> >>> be
>> >>> happy and not throw an check engine lamp at me.
>> >>> Can anybody sheld some light on this for me? You guys did so well 
>> >>> helping me last time, I hope you can do it again. And yes, I 
>> >>> still have a lot more to learn.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>>
>> >>> Marcello
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