[Diy_efi] Making a fake O2

jeff matthews maple69vt
Sun Jun 5 02:43:19 UTC 2005


The fiat/Yugo thing sounds like a lot of fun!!

Too cool...

Best regards,
JEFF

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07:59:38.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B233E10:01C568DB]<br><br>You sound like me. I 
turbocharged my 1980 Fiat Spider about 8 years ago<br>then recently 
turbocharged a cabrurated 1987 Yugo with a 1500 Fiat 
engine.<br><br>http://users.chartertn.net/jseabolt/<br><br>On my L-jet Fiat, 
I've been told the ECU ignores the signal from the O2<br>sensor under wide 
open throttle. But because I can reach boost without even<br>flooring the 
accelerator this method doesn't work.<br><br>It took me 6 months to figure 
out that the ECU was leaning the mixture out<br>under boost.<br><br>I found 
a really easy method. I put a pressure switch between the ECU and O<br>2 
sensor so as soon as I hit boost, the ECU runs blind.<br><br>I don't know if 
this work on a modern fuel injection system. It might start<br>flashing 
codes or something.<br><br><br><br>Original 
Message:<br>-----------------<br>From: jeff matthews 
maple69vt at hotmail.com<br>Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:46:19 -0400<br>To: 
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O2<br><br><br><html><div 
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class=RTE><br><P>I have a 1996 Miata and 2003 Protege.  They both 
have the stock ECU's. <br>But because I get bored around the garage they 
both are turbocharged.  They<br>both need to run richer under boost.  
(wouldn't want to let the ECU see<br>rich why boosting because as we all 
know the stock ecu will try and lean<br>out the mixture).  The stock ecu on 
the miata stays in closed loop mode<br>until around 3200 rpm's and the 
protege is even longer(with even more TPS<br>movement -like 80%).  with the 
exception of WOT. They both have piggy back<br>fuel and timing controls, but 
I don't run over 10psi either...Also on the<br>protege it had 2 cats and 2 
O2's. I had to remove the 1st cat to make room<br>for the turbo.  I had to 
move the 2nd O2 behind the 2nd cat so I would not<br>get a CEL--the first O2 
resides in the D/P along with the WBO2(approx<br>19"). 
<BR></P><br><P>"I don't think there are any vehicles 
ever made<BR>that operate in<br>closed-loop mode while 
accelerating"<BR></P><br><P>I believe that Later 
Porsche Turbo's (can't afford one so no clue what<br>model) always run 
closed loop including WOT. Obviously not narrow-band O2<br>targeting 
stoichiometric- but I thought it was 
interesting.<br><BR><BR></P></DIV><br><P>I 
have never run without the O2's connected.  So I don't know what 
would<br>happen.  But on my 1988 Nissan pulsar it runs fine and the O2 AND 
TPS is<br>disconnected... 
</P><br><P><BR><BR><BR>Best regards, 
</P><br><DIV></DIV>JEFF<br><DIV></DIV><BR><BR><BR>From: 
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FILETIME=[77D88850:01C56857]<BR><BR>--- jeff 
matthews<br><maple69vt at hotmail.com> wrote:<BR><BR>> I 
fake out my O2 sensor on Both my<br>cars everytime I<BR>> boost 
(which is almost every time I<br>shift:)!<BR><BR>I'm curious.  
What ECUs are you running with, are<br>they<BR>designed (or at least 
adapted) for use on turbocharged<BR>vehicles<br>(I'm<br>assuming 
you're turbocharging here,<BR>yes?), and what happens if you 
don't<br>"fake out" the<BR>ECU?  I don't think there are any 
vehicles ever<br>made<BR>that operate in closed-loop mode while 
accelerating,<BR>especially<br>if the acceleration is more than a 
moderate<BR>level (in my mind, that<br>would be a great way to 
ruin<BR>an engine very quickly, assuming you're<br>talking 
about<BR>a narrow-band O2 targeting 
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