[Diy_efi] 928/749

Bill Shaw b.shaw
Thu Aug 16 15:50:51 UTC 2007


That's good to know.  I have the parts in stock to do that test :-)

Best,

Bill

Rick McLeod wrote:
> A poor mans tester:
>
> gap a plug at about 0.175 and test free air
>
> a .025 gap under compression relates to about a .166 gap in free air IIRC from my engine technical training classes
>
> this has worked reliably for me in the past
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Bill Shaw <b.shaw at comcast.net>
> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 10:12:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] 928/749
>
>
> Yep,  swapped the coil with a spare I had in inventory (forgot that 
> one,  and a few more I'm sure!).  I need to go back there and double 
> check,  the spare was used.   No ballast resistors,  I took them out 
> when I did the 749 conversion.  I'm off to buy a spark tester today.
>
> Thanks for all the input guys.
>
> Bill
>
> Steve Ravet wrote:
>   
>> good point, it takes more energy to fire the plug under compression than
>> in the air.  You didn't mention testing/replacing the coil.
>>
>> --steve 
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org 
>>> [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] On Behalf Of dgilbert78 at juno.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:49 PM
>>> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] 928/749
>>>
>>> Hello: Had a problem like that , everything was there , but 
>>> would not run. final fix, spark wasn't hot enough. Go buy 
>>> chep spark energy tester at parts store. If it does not troow 
>>> a healthy gap, fix that. I went absolutely nuts. I had spark, 
>>> everything, just not enough and the damn thing would not run.
>>> good luck
>>> Darryl..
>>> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:33:37 -0700 "Steven P. Donegan"
>>> <steve at donegan.org> writes:
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> Only takes 3 things to go bang - gas, spark and compression 
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> - you've 
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> verified 2 of the 3 below. Compression seems to be the only thing 
>>>> left.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 2007-08-15 at 23:23 -0400, Bill Shaw wrote:
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> I've been chasing a long series of problems with my 928 since I 
>>>>> installed the new motor this spring .  Right now it won't start,
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> it's
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> having some weird electrical problem. 
>>>>>
>>>>> A little background...
>>>>> I ran it in a similar configuration for 3 years... Porsche 4.7L
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> v8,
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> Vortech supercharger, GM ignition module, sensors, throttle body,
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> and
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> 749 ecu.  Ran great,  had loads of fun flogging the crap out of it
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> on
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> all the road courses in the northeast.  Last fall it ate 2 spark
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> plug
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> tips and scored 2 cylinders at Lime Rock.  New motor was in the
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> works so
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> I finished it up and got it in the car.  The new one is a 5.0L
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> Porsche
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> v8, '87 big dish pistons,  16 valve ported & extrude honed heads
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> all
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> adding up to about 8.5:1 cr,   bigger cams, bigger throttle body, 
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> bigger
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> exhaust.  It ran pretty good for about 2 days,  good enough to set
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> me
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> back in my seat and put a grin on my face,  then it all went to
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> he!! again.
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>>  
>>>>> I've swapped ECUs, ignition modules, plugs, cap & rotor, been
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> through
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> all the plug wires with an ohmmeter, wrung out the wiring harness
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> from
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> the sensors to the ECU.  I'm getting fuel,  I can hear all the
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> injectors
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> clicking,  and have 43 lbs of fuel pressure.   The REF 
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> signal from 
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> the
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> distributor makes it through the ignition module to the ecu and
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> the ecu
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> is putting out EST pulses, verified by o'scope.  #1 is firing at
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> TDC
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> with bypass unplugged.  Everything is great,  it just 
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> won't start. 
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>  
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> Tonight we checked the cam timing and retensioned the 
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> timing belt. 
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>  I've
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> been through all the basics I can think of, all is good but no
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> fire in
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> the hole. I've reverted to my last known good bin while doing all
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> this
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> testing.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only weird thing I can put my finger on is with spark.  I move
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> my
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> inductive timing light from wire to wire checking for spark on all
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> 8.  
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> I'll find one not firing (it changes some times),  pull the wire
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> off the
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> spark plug,  insert another spark plug in the wire and ground the
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> tip on
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> the block and it will fire,  the timing light will light up.  Move
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> the
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> wire back to the plug in the block and it won't fire.  Pull the
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> plug
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> from the block,  put it in the plug wire and ground the electrode
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> on the
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> block and it will fire again.  WTF???  This is driving me nuts.  
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> I've
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> pulled one plug wire off 3 times to check resistance, wiggled both
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> ends
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> and the whole wire looking for an intermittent break,  everything
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> is
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> great,  3.1k ohms per spec.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm running out of ideas.  Anyone have a thought??
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>> 928s 5.0L Vortech/749
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