[Diy_efi] Diesel AfterTreatment Controllers
Aaron
aaron
Thu Jan 5 13:21:23 UTC 2012
To Paul,
Don't the neighbors complain about all those trucks in your yard?
Isn't it hard on the grass?
OH ! Truck Yard. Got it, moving on.
To James,
I have two cars, of older friends, where I use the same method of
curing low RPM engine vibrations. 30 mins at 75 MPH once every oil change
seems to do the trick. I don't tell them of course.
Sorry for the interruption.
Please, back to the discussion.
-----Original Message-----
From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] On
Behalf Of James Holland
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 4:49 AM
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org; Paul D. Donovan
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Diesel AfterTreatment Controllers
Hi Paul
Who makes the computers that 'fail constantly' and in what manner do they
fail?
We have Vauxhall fleet cars and the warning lights come on regularly when
the vehicles are used around town. Its because the filter does get hot
enough to burn poff the particulates, the standing advice is to take the
car for a good blast down the local dual carriageway when the light comes on
- I guess thats not practical for you.
--- On Thu, 5/1/12, Paul D. Donovan <pddonovan at clear.net> wrote:
> From: Paul D. Donovan <pddonovan at clear.net>
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Diy_efi Digest, Vol 5, Issue 1
> To: "diy_efi at diy-efi.org" <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> Cc: "diy_efi at diy-efi.org" <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> Date: Thursday, 5 January, 2012, 2:28
> Allow me to clarify (Add to the
> confusion!) some of the information I just read.? Then west exhaust
> devices are no longer called Mufflers, they are called After-Filters
> with Resonators!? I work in the Diesel Field and have one of
> everything in my yard right now on the Garbage Trucks I service.? I
> have AFs with their own computers, they use a separate fuel pump and
> injector to shoot atomized diesel into the muffler as you drive under
> maximum load.? They fail constantly.? Then I have the 'Plug-in'
> variety, this type of AF gets full to the point of causing back
> pressure in the exhaust system and sets-off a flashing light.? When
> your light flashes you drive into the yard and up to one of the plugs
> on the out side of the building.? Stop, shut-off the truck, shut-off
> the batteries and plug-in a 208 volt plug.
> Shortly afterward you can hear a pump start to growl and diesel is
> injected into the AF onto a hot coil that makes
> (eventually) 1150 degrees and cooks the inside of the AF clean.? The
> newest Truck has a catalytic convertor, and AF, a Resonator and a burn
> chamber.? The Hydrogenated Urea is injected into the Burn chamber and
> heats the exhaust system.? The catalytic convertor gets damned hot and
> burns all the soot and cleans the exhaust so well that you can work
> right next to the outlet pipe and it does not hurt your eyes.? ALL
> these truck now meet the newest regulations set forth by the
> California CARB system of controls.
>
> ? ???I drive a 4bt that does not smoke because I use an HHO system
> that makes three liters+ a minute.? This clears a great deal of the
> smoke and emissions.? Next I plan to use a little propane to really
> clean-up the little diesel, once and for all!
>
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> >???1. OT: Exhaust Fluid? (Aaron)
> >???2. Re: OT: Exhaust Fluid? (teeleton at philter.com)
> >???3. Re: OT: Exhaust Fluid? (James
> Holland)
> >???4. Re: OT: Exhaust Fluid? (Aaron)
> >???5. Re: OT: Exhaust Fluid? (Eck,
> Joel)
> >???6. OT: Muffler Bearings (Phil
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> >???7. Re: OT: Muffler Bearings (Aaron)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:15:39 -0500
> > From: "Aaron" <aaron at creativeoverdrive.com>
> > Subject: [Diy_efi] OT: Exhaust Fluid?
> > To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> > Message-ID:
> <002901ccca65$3acb6e60$b0624b20$@com>
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> >
> >
> > DEF? Exhaust Fluid? OH Yeah.
> >
> > We keep on the shelf in the back.
> > It's next to the Blinker Fluid, Head lamp Fluid and
> the Muffler Bearings.
> >
> > And yet again Aaron the Automotive wonder is WRONG!
> > Had I not helped an older gentleman pour 10 gals into
> his semi tractor's
> > special tank, I'd be calling BS right now.
> >
> > http://www.dieselexhaustfluid.com/
> > http://www.factsaboutscr.com/def/default.aspx
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_exhaust_fluid
> > http://www.discoverdef.com/
> >
> > Hmm.
> > Aqueous Urea Solution?
> > Think I'll go wash my hands again.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:12:49 -0600 (CST)
> > From: teeleton at philter.com
> > Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] OT: Exhaust Fluid?
> > To: Aaron <aaron at creativeoverdrive.com>
> > Cc: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1201031707360.21718 at philter.com>
> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII;
> format=flowed
> >
> >
> > How very strange.? And yes, I think handwashing
> is in order given that
> > urine is about 4% urea, and this stuff is about 32%
> urea.? So apparently
> > there's a legitimate automotive use out there for
> concentrated urine.? Who
> > knew?
> >
> > On Tue, 3 Jan 2012, Aaron wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> DEF? Exhaust Fluid? OH Yeah.
> >>
> >> We keep on the shelf in the back.
> >> It's next to the Blinker Fluid, Head lamp Fluid
> and the Muffler Bearings.
> >>
> >> And yet again Aaron the Automotive wonder is
> WRONG!
> >> Had I not helped an older gentleman pour 10 gals
> into his semi tractor's
> >> special tank, I'd be calling BS right now.
> >>
> >> http://www.dieselexhaustfluid.com/
> >> http://www.factsaboutscr.com/def/default.aspx
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_exhaust_fluid
> >> http://www.discoverdef.com/
> >>
> >> Hmm.
> >> Aqueous Urea Solution?
> >> Think I'll go wash my hands again.
> >>
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 08:33:41 +0000 (GMT)
> > From: James Holland <j_holland at btopenworld.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] OT: Exhaust Fluid?
> > To: Aaron <aaron at creativeoverdrive.com>,
> teeleton at philter.com
> > Cc: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > Message-ID:
> >? ? <1325666021.89938.YahooMailClassic at web87717.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>
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> >
> > This is the area in which I'm currently working. There
> is a second method of aftertreatment control which involves burning
> highly atomised diesel to raise the pre-cat temperature of the
> exhaust, it seems to be less favoured by manufacturers because of the
> detrimental effect on fuel consumption figures. It does however mean
> that jokes about spark plugs for diesel are now redundant.
> > regards
> > James
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 3/1/12, teeleton at philter.com
> <teeleton at philter.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: teeleton at philter.com
> <teeleton at philter.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] OT: Exhaust Fluid?
> >> To: "Aaron" <aaron at creativeoverdrive.com>
> >> Cc: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> >> Date: Tuesday, 3 January, 2012, 23:12
> >>
> >> How very strange.? And yes, I think handwashing is
> in
> >> order given that
> >> urine is about 4% urea, and this stuff is about
> 32%
> >> urea.? So apparently
> >> there's a legitimate automotive use out there for concentrated
> >> urine.? Who knew?
> >>
> >> On Tue, 3 Jan 2012, Aaron wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> DEF? Exhaust Fluid? OH Yeah.
> >>>
> >>> We keep on the shelf in the back.
> >>> It's next to the Blinker Fluid, Head lamp
> Fluid and
> >> the Muffler Bearings.
> >>>
> >>> And yet again Aaron the Automotive wonder is
> WRONG!
> >>> Had I not helped an older gentleman pour 10
> gals into
> >> his semi tractor's
> >>> special tank, I'd be calling BS right now.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.dieselexhaustfluid.com/
> >>> http://www.factsaboutscr.com/def/default.aspx
> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_exhaust_fluid
> >>> http://www.discoverdef.com/
> >>>
> >>> Hmm.
> >>> Aqueous Urea Solution?
> >>> Think I'll go wash my hands again.
> >>>
> >>>
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:23:47 -0500
> > From: "Aaron" <aaron at creativeoverdrive.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] OT: Exhaust Fluid?
> > Cc: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
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> >
> > WHAT ?
> > Diesel Spark Plugs ?
> > Exhaust Fluid ?
> > I can't take any more.
> >
> > Here is a muffler bearing.
> > http://gmcmotorhome.info/figs/ypipe/Add-a-90.jpg
> > Look at the black part on the frame where the 3" pipe
> goes through.
> > In 1973, the GMC parts book called the silicone ring
> under that black steel
> > ring a muffler bearing.
> > By 1974, GMC changed it to an insulator.
> >
> > Back in the early '90's, I replaced a working sealed
> beam / non halogen
> > Lucas Headlight in a Jaguar. The customer did not like
> his friends joking
> > about the oil sealed inside. The running joke was,
> "Everything Lucas makes
> > leaks oil."
> > How I'm thinking it was just blinker fluid.
> >
> > Seems everything I knew about cars is now upside
> down.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: James Holland [mailto:j_holland at btopenworld.com]
>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 3:34 AM
> > To: Aaron; teeleton at philter.com
> > Cc: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] OT: Exhaust Fluid?
> >
> > This is the area in which I'm currently working. There
> is a second method of
> > aftertreatment control which involves burning highly
> atomised diesel to
> > raise the pre-cat temperature of the exhaust, it seems
> to be less favoured
> > by manufacturers because of the detrimental effect on
> fuel consumption
> > figures. It does however mean that jokes about spark
> plugs for diesel are
> > now redundant.
> > regards
> > James
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:30:34 +0000
> > From: "Eck, Joel" <Joel.Eck at hp.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] OT: Exhaust Fluid?
> > To: Aaron <aaron at creativeoverdrive.com>
> > Cc: "diy_efi at diy-efi.org"
> <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> > Message-ID:
> >? ?
> ><B41B4B2568C70849A6D5CDDA1C4918CB5168E13408 at GVW1119EXC.americas.hpqco
> >rp.net>
> >? ?
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Go to a Nissan dealer and ask for an exhaust bearing
> for an early 2000's Sentra. You will be taken seriously and will be
> sold an exhaust gasket for your trouble. (had to google that one a
> bit, I forgot what make it was, thought it was Benz).
> >
> > I worked in a parts house for a while where we handled
> some Lucas electrical parts. One customer informed me that he was
> looking for non-Lucas branded parts, because (as he put it) 'Lucas
> invented darkness'.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org
> [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]
> On Behalf Of Aaron
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 08:24
> > Cc: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] OT: Exhaust Fluid?
> >
> > WHAT ?
> > Diesel Spark Plugs ?
> > Exhaust Fluid ?
> > I can't take any more.
> >
> > Here is a muffler bearing.
> > http://gmcmotorhome.info/figs/ypipe/Add-a-90.jpg
> > Look at the black part on the frame where the 3" pipe
> goes through.
> > In 1973, the GMC parts book called the silicone ring
> under that black steel
> > ring a muffler bearing.
> > By 1974, GMC changed it to an insulator.
> >
> > Back in the early '90's, I replaced a working sealed
> beam / non halogen
> > Lucas Headlight in a Jaguar. The customer did not like
> his friends joking
> > about the oil sealed inside. The running joke was,
> "Everything Lucas makes
> > leaks oil."
> > How I'm thinking it was just blinker fluid.
> >
> > Seems everything I knew about cars is now upside
> down.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: James Holland [mailto:j_holland at btopenworld.com]
>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 3:34 AM
> > To: Aaron; teeleton at philter.com
> > Cc: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] OT: Exhaust Fluid?
> >
> > This is the area in which I'm currently working. There
> is a second method of
> > aftertreatment control which involves burning highly
> atomised diesel to
> > raise the pre-cat temperature of the exhaust, it seems
> to be less favoured
> > by manufacturers because of the detrimental effect on
> fuel consumption
> > figures. It does however mean that jokes about spark
> plugs for diesel are
> > now redundant.
> > regards
> > James
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Diy_efi mailing list
> > Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 03:04:02 +1100
> > From: Phil Lamovie <phil at injec.com>
> > Subject: [Diy_efi] OT: Muffler Bearings
> > To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > Message-ID: <4F047872.5D9E2EF1 at injec.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> >
> > Please note there are now sufficient numbers of
> exhaust systems using
> >
> > shuttered resonant chambers to alter the exhaust
> "note" that the heretofore
> >
> > silliness of a "Muffler Bearing" is now a reality.
> >
> > The valves are servo driven and do indeed have plain
> bearings.
> >
> >
> > Headlamp fluid is of course the heat sink paste used
> when changing out
> >
> > a blown LED.
> >
> >
> >
> > With non denominational best wishes,
> >
> > phil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:36:15 -0500
> > From: "Aaron" <aaron at creativeoverdrive.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] OT: Muffler Bearings
> > To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> > Message-ID:
> <000d01cccafe$fb3b4050$f1b1c0f0$@com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > If a functioning Kuneutson valve (AKA "Kneutson,
> Kanutson") shows up on a
> > OEM vehicle, I'm going back to points and a
> carburetor.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org
> [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Phil Lamovie
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 11:04 AM
> > To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > Subject: [Diy_efi] OT: Muffler Bearings
> >
> >
> > Please note there are now sufficient numbers of
> exhaust systems using
> >
> > shuttered resonant chambers to alter the exhaust
> "note" that the heretofore
> >
> > silliness of a "Muffler Bearing" is now a reality.
> >
> > The valves are servo driven and do indeed have plain
> bearings.
> >
> >
> > Headlamp fluid is of course the heat sink paste used
> when changing out
> >
> > a blown LED.
> >
> >
> >
> > With non denominational best wishes,
> >
> > phil
> >
> >
> >
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