[Efi332] comments on reorganizing lists

Wed Feb 8 12:44:29 UTC 2006

Steve,
I think you've captured most of the important issues and for efi332 for sure, the pros definitely outweigh the cons. Our bandwidth here is so dreadfully low that the history benefit alone makes it worth switching formats.

On a related note, the efi332 list is essentially dead, and one could easily make the argument that it could be eliminated. That said, I think there is an efi332 contingent out there who are generically interested in "from scratch" efi development that occasionally use this list as an outlet. However, with the list name and web pages being so specific and the format being non-friendly for browsing, my sense is that we don't attract the newer guys who were never involved in the '332.

What I would propose is that along with a switch (assuming you decide to pursue it), that we change the list name to something more generic in an attempt to draw in more folks. I don't frequent the other diy lists but my recollection is that even the diy list focuses more on OEM controller hacking and tuning than on from scratch hardware and software design. If this isn't the case, someone speak up and set me straight.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Ravet <Steve.Ravet at arm.com>
To: gmecm at diy-efi.org; diy_efi at diy-efi.org; efi_332 <efi332 at diy-efi.org>; wbo2 at diy-efi.org
Sent: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 23:24:04 -0600
Subject: [Efi332] comments on reorganizing lists

I've thought about moving the lists to the forum style format that most
other internet groups use -- corral.net, thirdgen, etc.  I've been
opposed to this for some time, liking the email format these lists have
always used.  So I've put together a list of what I think the pros and
cons of each are and I'd like to solicit some discussion and opinions on
whether a switch would be good or bad.

email pros:
1)  new posts come to your inbox, or can be filtered to another box.

email cons:
1)  surprisingly high bandwidth usage
2)  archive/search engine isn't automatic.

forum pros:
1)  possibly lower bandwidth
2)  message context always available.  Don't have to depend on included
replies or memory to know if the discussion started out about Ford or GM
intakes, for example.
3)  archive/searching built in.
4)  sticky posts mean good information doesn't disappear into the
archive abyss.

forum cons:
1)  overly cute dancing smiley faces
2)  chatty
3)  no digest mode (?)

The owner may be able to turn off dancing icons, and I don't know if the
chatty-ness of other forums is due to the list membership or encouraged
by the format.  An ideal solution may be like yahoo where you can sign
up for email delivery of all posts if you want.  Note, I am not
suggesting moving the lists to yahoo.

If the switch is made I plan on having the same lists available,
possibly dropping the diy_wb list since it's very low traffic and on
topic for diy_efi.  I don't plan on having a lounge forum.

Anyway, if you have an addition to the pros and cons listed above send
it, and if you have an opinion on switching send that also.

--steve

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