Accel AS&M S&P Follow up

[Squash]

Hello people?!  We are talking 454 chevrolet here.  I
have never found any of the parts for an accel
superram or accel stealth separately.  All of the
other stuff is available for SBC, yes.

Andy

--- Mark Romans <romans at pacbell.net> wrote:
> I went straight to Lingenfelter and bought the Accel
> Superram base for
> $345.00 and the Superram runners and plenum for
> $600.00.  They use the stock
> fuel rails, they even come with the plugs to plug
> off the cold start
> injector. (since the superram doesn't have
> provisions for the cold start
> injector and you won't need it in the bay area
> anyway)
> Mark
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Squash <realsquash at yahoo.com>
> To: gmecm at efi332.eng.ohio-state.edu
> <gmecm at efi332.eng.ohio-state.edu>
> Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 8:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Accel AS&M S&P Follow up
> 
> 
> >First, good luck finding a manifold w/o the DFI. 
> I've
> >tried.  Second, how much is the FP ECM?  How much
> is
> >the Wide-band O2 sensor?  The batch fire version
> with
> >the wide-band O2 is $2000 and the sequential
> version
> >is $2700!
> >
> >Here's the part number for the Accel superram
> intake:
> >N/A.  That's what my accel catalog says.
> >
> >None of this means anything if you have $10000 to
> >spend on your injection.
> >
> >How much do you want to spend?
> >
> >Andy
> >p.s. if you want to mix and match, buy the accel
> >single-plane intake.  It comes with rails
> pre-machined
> >and the bosses are cast and machined into the
> intake
> >(and you can buy it separately for $450 from jegs
> and
> >summit).  Then you get the injectors, harness,
> >computer, etc that you want.  With your setup, the
> >single-plane will prolly be a better choice for
> >upper-RPM flow.  Maybe not.
> >
> >--- Greg Hermann <bearbvd at sni.net> wrote:
> >> >--- "Chris G. Lucas" <tagurit at wwisp.com> wrote:
> >> >> Do they offer the SupeRam stand-alone, no
> >> computer?
> >> >> I would like that.
> >> >
> >> >No.  You must buy the whole system with DFI ECM.
> >>
> >> I believe that this is an incorrect statement. If
> >> you cannot find it, I
> >> will look up a part #. Let me know.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> >If you are going TPI, I would suggest taking
> a
> >> HARD
> >> >> look at the F-P
> >> >> >performance (Fel-Pro/Federal Mogul) SEFI8LO
> >> >> computer, and seriously
> >> >> >consider spending some extra bucks for the
> wide
> >> >> band O2 option for it.
> >> >
> >> >Super bucks.  Mega bucks.  I forgot to point out
> >> >before that this is the MOST expensive option.
> >>
> >> If you think FP is expensive--check out MoTeC of
> EFI
> >> Technology!!!! Yeeee
> >> Hawww!!
> >> The FP is rather good value for the dollar if you
> >> compare features,
> >> programmability, etc. with the DFI unit, for not
> a
> >> lot more money. Pay
> >> particular attention to the minimum incremental
> >> adjustment to injector
> >> pulse width which is possible with each of these
> >> units when looking at
> >> features. This factor becomes VERY important when
> >> trying to tune a big
> >> motor to have decent street manners, as compared
> to
> >> just trying to get it
> >> to run down a 1/4 mile!
> >>
> >> As I said before--the Autronics unit offers the
> >> same, maybe more features
> >> as the FP, for maybe a bit less money, but is not
> as
> >> friendly to
> >> program--although it IS VERY programmable.
> >>
> >>  It
> >> >runs great, but you must ask yourself if it is
> >> worth
> >> >the extra thousands of dollars.
> >>
> >> Hardly. Check it out. Info from elsewhere:
> >> --------------------
> >> For folks searching for information pertaining to
> >> Speed-Pro Electronics
> >> Engine Management Systems (formerly Fel-Pro or FP
> >> Performance) here is a
> >> link:
> >>
> >> http://www.tciauto.com/ecu/index_spe.htm
> >>
> >> -----------------------
> >> >
> >> >> I have heard good stuff about it, but they
> don't
> >> >> sell a manifold system,
> >> >> do they?
> >>
> >> The big Accel manifold is pretty decent, and
> should
> >> be available
> >> separately, if not from Accel, from Lingenfelter.
> >> >
> >> >And there is no manifold system, just
> >> harness/ECM/O2
> >> >combos.
> >>
> >> So get the manifold, injectors , rails, and
> >> regulator from Accel, the
> >> wiring and electronics from F-P.
> >> >
> >> >> -----------------------------------
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I personally would not touch either of the
> other
> >> >> options (besides DFI)
> >> >> that
> >> >> >you mentioned with YOUR ten foot pole!
> >> >> -----------------------------------
> >> >> Curious, could you say why?
> >>
> >> Because of ease and accuracy of tuning issues.
> >> >
> >> >The S&P is a great option, possibly the best if
> you
> >> >are willing to spend some time re-working the
> >> tables
> >> >in the ECM (Its a GM 730).
> >> >
> >> >> Degrees Duration @ .050 Int./Exh.= 226/234
> >> >> Degrees Advertised Duration Int./Exh. 288/296
> >> >
> >> >This is cammy in my book.
> >>
> >> Me too. I would go with the MSD's for this one.
> >> >
> >> >> >get your engine to idle and do light loads
> with
> >> the
> >> >> MSD's, if it has a
> >> >> big
> >> >> >cam, even though their fuel atomization is
> not
> >> >> quite as good as you get
> >> >>
> >> >> >with the Bosch pieces.
> >> >
> >> >With this cam, i don't see how anyone could even
> >> tell
> >> >the difference in idle spray patterns.
> >>
> >> It's done with high speed photography---
> >>
> >> Regards, Greg
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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