Yes and I'm sure grump's does. Mike Rolica EXT. 260 :-) -----Original Message----- From: Akselrud, Boris [SMTP:AkselruB at moodys.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 10:30 AM To: 'gmecm at efi332.eng.ohio-state.edu' Subject: RE: ECM fault? Ha anyone seen 5.7 TBI stock engine run smooth at idle - steady idle speed, quiet, no vibration? Is that possible?