TPI Runner Question

[timsiford at hushmail.com]

David,

Why do you think that the tube on the driver's side of the plenum on MAF 
systems is for the cold start valve? To be honest, I at one time thought 
this too.  However, just trace the route on the underneath of the plenum. 
 The IAC entrance on the front of the plenum connects to this tube.  Am 
I missing something here?  You said that 

"Such a tube could not work for idle air -- the
IAC has to get bypass air to the UPPER manifold,
not the lower manifold, or the engine would idle
on just one cylinde"

However, inside the lower manifold there are very small injection points 
at each runner in the center of each runner.  Have you seen these yet?

Tim

At Wed, 6 Dec 2000 07:11:42 -0800, "David Papworth" <papworth at ichips.intel.com> 
wrote:

>
>The small tube on the driver's side runner set is for
>the cold start injector, if present.
>The small tube on the passenger side is for EGR.
>
> The design of the earlier runners was rather clever -- one
>casting could be made in pairs, and reversed
>to form either a right or left hand runner set, with the
>afformentioned small tube switching roles in the process.
>
>The cold start injector was removed in 1989/1990.
>
>In both cases the tubes connect a point source on the
>lower manifold to the upper plenum to then get distributed to all the
>runners.
>Such a tube could not work for idle air -- the
>IAC has to get bypass air to the UPPER manifold,
>not the lower manifold, or the engine would idle
>on just one cylinder.
>
>Regardless, there is no place on the 1990+ plenums for
>a "left hand tube" to connect. The distribution passage for
>the cold start valve was removed completely, or so it
>shows in the "TPI Swapper's Guide".
>
>The IAC does work differently between 85/89 and 1990
>on. The throttle body is different, without the internal
>passage to route the idle air past the throttle blade.
>.
>My e-bay TPI system is 1986 -- and the TPI swapper's
>book is not clear about how the late IAC works,
> so I don't know how the later IAC is supposed to connect
>-- but I doubt it uses the small tube in the runner set.
>
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>Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 9:19 PM
>Subject: Re: TPI Runner Question
>
>
>> I recently bought (bid rather) on a set of 1992 speed density TPI 
>stock
>> runners. Only after I won the bid did I notice that the small tube 
>on the
>> driver's side runners was not there. My understanding is that this 
>tube
>> carries idle air from the upper plenum passage to the lower manifold.
>Without
>> this tube, how does idle air get to the lower manifold? Is the upper
>plenum
>> on speed density systems designed differently internally? Is the throttle
>> body different? As a fix, has anyone drilled holes in the upper plenum 
>fro
>m
>> the idle air passage into the upper plenum intake tract?
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