Question about WOT table in $8D bin

[Romans, Mark]

So, how about posting the curves for the ZZ4?
(Spark map and VE)
What app was designed for the zz4?
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "NRGZ28" <euro at lvcm.com>
To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: Question about WOT table in $8D bin


> Stock curves suck...    I used the curves from a chip designed for a ZZ4
and
> I gained almost 4 tenths and 4 miles per hour in the 1/4 mile. Oh well...
I
> guess I'll just play with I got. Thanx anyway
>
> p.s. it's Edmond by the way
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <timsiford at hushmail.com>
> To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 11:10 AM
> Subject: Re: Question about WOT table in $8D bin
>
>
> | Edmund,
> |
> | Using my base curves would not be advised.  I recommend beginning with a
> | stock base curve.  Why you ask?  My MiniRam intake, AFR heads, bigger
> exhaust,
> |  and 112LSA make my VE curves significantly different from stock ...
MUCH
> | more so than yours.  Your curves will be more similar to the stock
curves
> | due to the intake style, the heads, and the exhaust that you are
running.
> |  Not just pulling a 'not sharing' on this one.  You REALLY will be
closer
> | to the stock curves than my curves.
> |
> | Tim
> |
> | At Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:07:07 -0800, "NRGZ28" <euro at lvcm.com> wrote:
> |
> | >
> | >Tim, would you be so kind to show what your VE (ext) table values are
> | >from
> | >90-100 kpa ? I got the same cam as you and I'd to at least get a base
> | >to
> | >start from when I tune for WOT.
> | >
> | >----- Original Message -----
> | >From: <timsiford at hushmail.com>
> | >To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
> | >Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 7:02 AM
> | >Subject: Re: Question about WOT table in $8D bin
> | >
> | >
> | >> Bob,
> | >>
> | >> Using the equation that you extracted from the ANHT hac and plugging
> | >in
> | >> my values for 5600RPMs and 80deg C I get ...
> | >> 6553.6 / ((149 + 58 + 128) * 445) / 256) = 11.25
> | >>
> | >> HOORAY!!!!  This is exactly what diacom reports for my setup in this
> | >range.
> | >>  This is definitely the formula to utilize.  NEWBIE NOTE: the value
> | >149
> | >> was retrieved through a hex editor (Hex Workshop).  Simply using the
> | >values
> | >> in TC will not work.
> | >>
> | >> Tim
> | >>
> | >>
> | >> At Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:46:00 -0500, rr <RRauscher at nni.com> wrote:
> | >>
> | >> >
> | >> >
> | >> >Umm, I just checked the anht hac, and I can't get the equation
quoted
> | >> >below to give me the same answers as the code.
> | >> >
> | >> >Using tables L860D & L8617 @ 80c & 6400rpm, I get an AFR of
> | >> >11.6:1. Here is the equation using the raw bin values:
> | >> >
> | >> >WOT AFR = 6553.6 / ((TBL L8617 + TBL L860D + 128) * 445) / 256)
> | >> >
> | >> >w/vals:
> | >> >
> | >> >11.6 = 6553.6 / ((138 + 58 + 128) * 445) / 256)
> | >> >
> | >> >This is right from the hac and matches the code (I corrected the
> | >one
> | >> >table
> | >> >address in the equation). What are the AFR's when using this
equation?
> | >> >
> | >> >Thanks,
> | >> >
> | >> >BobR.
> | >> >
> | >> >
> | >> >JN wrote:
> | >> >
> | >> >> Wow, in looking at my bin that was modified by a reputable tuner
> | >originally,
> | >> >> he has what I calc as a 14.12 AFR at 5200 and a 14.85 at 5600!
> | > I
> | >> >guess with
> | >> >> the miniram I should fatten these up some.  Tim, what do you have
> | >> >for PE vs
> | >> >> RPM.  Our motors are similar cams, intake and we both run 30 pound
> | >> >injectors
> | >> >> with a 33 pound injector constant.
> | >> >>
> | >> >> Jason
> | >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> | >> >> From: <timsiford at hushmail.com>
> | >> >> To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
> | >> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 4:04 PM
> | >> >> Subject: Re: Question about WOT table in $8D bin
> | >> >>
> | >> >> > Bruce,
> | >> >> >
> | >> >> > I don't think its as bad as what you are saying.  Please - hear
> | >> >me out.
> | >> >> >  I said that the calculation shows that I am running 10.16 AFR.
> | >> > This was
> | >> >> > at 5600rpms and a coolant temp of 80deg C.  HOWEVER, the stock
> | >AUJP
> | >> >bin
> | >> >> > has a PE modifier of 7.8 at 4000rpms in WOT %Change in AFR vs
> | >RPM
> | >> >and a
> | >> >> > modifier of 22.7 in WOT %Change in AFR vs Coolant.  This results
> | >> >in a
> | >> >> 10.22
> | >> >> > AFR.
> | >> >> >
> | >> >> > Now, I am NOT running 10.16 everywhere.  I just picked the
highest
> | >> >point
> | >> >> > of the curve and reported that point.  I also picked the highest
> | >> >point of
> | >> >> > the AUJP curve and reported that.  Again, the formula I am using
> | >> >is the
> | >> >> > one previously supplied here on the list ....
> | >> >> >
> | >> >> > ( 1  -  (( RPM Mod  +  Coolant Mod )  /  100 )  *  14.7
> | >> >> >
> | >> >> > I am not concerned about the fueling.  I am close to 128 at all
> | >> >points
> | >> >> when
> | >> >> > driving.  I spent significant time on the VE curves.  The WOT
> | >%Change
> | >> >to
> | >> >> > AFR tables are modified from stock ... but, no so much in the
> | >levels
> | >> >but
> | >> >> > more as to the shape.  The MiniRam doesn't need as much fuel
> | >at
> | >> >4000RPMs
> | >> >> > as compared to the TPI.  However, it does need more at 5600rpms.
> | >> >> >
> | >> >> > Tim
> | >> >> >
> | >> >> > At Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:28:20 -0500, "Bruce Plecan"
> | ><nacelp at bright.net>
> | >> >> wrote:
> | >> >> >
> | >> >> > >
> | >> >> > >
> | >> >> > >IMO,
> | >> >> > >Your running a diesel now.
> | >> >> > >You have enough fuel that your CR is even up.
> | >> >> > >At tear down the ring lands will be knocked out and you'll need
> | >> >pistons.
> | >> >> > >Just about beat you have a 160d and within one heat range of
> | >stock
> | >> >plugs.
> | >> >> > >The tip of the plug is acting like a glow plug for lighting
> | >the
> | >> >change.
> | >> >> > >It kinda a typical thing when your at more fuel more timing
> | >agenda
> | >> >stuff,
> | >> >> > >just some guys go that route wastes gas, and tough on parts
> | >IMO.
> | >> >> > >No telling what the heads will be like, if (oem) iron probably
> | >> >cracked
> | >> >> > >between the seats.
> | >> >> > >Also, will have more carbon to deal with and more likely to
> | >burn
> | >> >an
> | >> >> > >exhuast
> | >> >> > >valve.
> | >> >> > >It's like doing a nitro tune but with gas, eats parts
> | >> >> > >Bruce
> | >> >> > >
> | >> >> > >
> | >> >> > >> >Just remember you said that <g>
> | >> >> > >>
> | >> >> > >> I'll remember Bruce <g>.  But, I'm not a fluke.  I've talked
> | >> >to several
> | >> >> > >> other AFR190/MiniRam ownders that are running the same type
> | >of
> | >> >spark
> | >> >> > >advance
> | >> >> > >> (max).  Now sure about the Air/Fuel ratio they are running
> | >though.
> | >> >> > > Will
> | >> >> > >> be pulling plugs soon to take a gander.
> | >> >> > >>
> | >> >> > >> Curious though .... I have a feeling that you think I'm gonna
> | >> >blow
> | >> >> > >myself
> | >> >> > >> up :-)  Can I pick your mind and ask why?  I know that I will
> | >> >> eventually
> | >> >> > >> lose the bottom end ... but, I don't think that it will be
> | >PROM
> | >> >> related.
> | >> >> > >>
> | >> >> > >> Tim
> | >> >
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