Long, and related to EFI ( was Re: PCV valve for TPI)

[Shannen Durphey]

The world is small when we are on the net.  We can meet people from
other countries, other walks of life, that we would never normally
meet.  There are lots of good ideas exchanged, and sometimes we
accidentally stumble across info or web pages we never expected to
find.  With many people of similar interest and resourcefulness
subscribed to the same list, it should be no surprise when we find
traces of another list member on the web.  But it still can be.

After reading through some of your web pages, and realizing that you
are practicing something very similar to what has been done throughout
the EFI aftermarket industry for years, I'm done answering your
questions.  You might want to kick back a good portion of money to the
list members that have answered your posts.  Few of them are paid for
their investment in the EFI learning curve, and probably none make
money answering questions about efi for newbies that want to tune
their own setups.  When it turns out that their answers are being used
to turn a profit, and the questions are a way of getting around doing
some actual legwork, it's enough to piss me off.  When I see that the
list's efforts to make efi easy and reachable for anyone are being
used as arguments to sell someone else's work, I can't sit silent.  

If you want to come across as an expert, and charge like the pros do,
you can go down to the dealership and find out for yourself what pcv
valves are available and what the differences are.  The reason the
honest guys charge more is because they've invested bunches of time in
learning.  That's where the justification is.  It's too bad that other
people see these prices as a way to make easy money. 

I'm going to say this very, very politely.  Don't let it fool you into
thinking this is no big deal.

Please stop using the lists as a reference library for your business. 
Please stop substituting the experience of hard working people for
owning a shop and learning by hands on activities.  Some of the
questions you ask here are questions you could answer for yourself. 
With your experience, and training, you must know what it's like to
have your hard work turned into someone else's profit.  Professional
mechanics who have 20 years on the floor know full well what it's like
to spend much time explaining the details of a job to a customer only
to find he went somewhere else to spend money.  This is not much
different.

You've skimmed enough to get a good start.  You could still learn
enough on your own to earn what you're charging.  But continuing to
ask for basic advice here would only be cheating list members out of
compensation for their time, and would be cheating yourself out of the
experience that comes from figuring out how to fix a problem
yourself.  You should plan to give something back to the list in your
next post, not take more from it.

I don't know if there are any legalities involved in using info from a
non commercial mailing list word for word in a web page used to make a
profit.  You might want to ask John Gwynne, or the original poster, if
you can use that message on your page.  I also do not know if your
"diagnostic software" is available with a commercial license, but you
should probably have one.  Steve Cole is the man to ask about that.  I
realize  that you may have already done these things.  This is only a
tip in case you haven't.

You have a novel idea in tuning.  Do it right, you might make some
good money.  You might consider contracting the actual tuning work out
to someone, pay by chip.  Or, you could hire someone as a
"consultant".  But please do not use the collective experience and
advice of the group, which is given freely to help a DIY'er, as a way
to make easy money through a side business.  You have grossly
misrepresented yourself.  You should quit now.

Shannen



WEG1192 at aol.com wrote:
> 
> I am having a problem getting my idle speed to drop low enough to approach
> the desired idle RPM as shown on my scantool. The IAC motor shows 0, and I
> have a 4000 ppm speed sensor hooked up and it appears to be accurate. The
> only way I can get the idle speed to drop from 900 to 700 RPM where I want it
> is to pinch off the PCV valve line. Are the TPI PCV valves anything special?
> Are they smaller orifices that won't let as much air through? Thanks.
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