Oz DIY-WB board SILLYNESS

[Daniel]

I think it really time to end this silly squabbling !

EVERYONE ON THIS LIST APPRECIATES THE EFFORT PUT IN BY THE FEW.

the whole spirit of the list is to help everyone to participate in this , if
it helps the list by having boards/kits available then surely it help the
list to achieve its aims.

Some of the others are trying to help out in any way they can , if its not
within the intensions of this list then a polite "I DON'T REALLY THINK
THAT'S IN THE SPIRIT " type post would be constructive .

Not throwing a tantrum and saying your not going to play with my toys
attitude!

Now lets all grow up and let normal programming continue.

Daniel

>
> Get good and PO'd at Peter, he's the one that's generated the problem.
> Cost +20, is no longer in the spirit of the project.
> Guess you just like rationalizing things to suit your own ways, eh?.
> You don't have to buy a board, you can wire wrap it, and that takes the
PCB
> out of the equation.
> Letters like this sure have taken the fun of trying to do a good thing.
> Yep sure is silly.
> I'm begining to really doubt we'll get any volunteers to generate any
future
> projects for the list, after the behaviour of so many takers, and
amazingly
> even a few of the givers, stunning, absolutely stunning.
> Grumpy
>
>
> From: "Daniel" <bossute at iprimus.com.au>
> Subject: Re: Oz DIY-WB board SILLYNESS
> > You guys are unbelievable , someone has offered to be able to procure
the
> > kit so we here downunder can DIY the WB ourselves. He is not asking to
> make
> > a profit on the deal but estimated what shipping duty etc is going to
> cost.
> > Some of these bits are unobtainable to a lot of the Aussie guys as we
> don't
> > have a zillion digikey stores in our backyard.Talk to a YANK supplier
and
> > ask them to send a small parcel off parts overseas and they just laugh
at
> > us.
> > Since the company who made the boards made a profit I assume these
boards
> > cant be called DIY anymore.
> > PETER HAS NOT OFFERED TO BUILD THE KITS OR SUPPLY A FULLY ASSEMBLED KIT.
> > Does this mean that in the true spirit of DIY WB everyone should make
> there
> > own board right from the pcb manufacturing stage to final assembly.
> > A REALLY PISSED OFF
> > Daniel Collins
> > Glad I live downunder !
>
> > From: "rr" <RRauscher at nni.com>
> > To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> > Cc: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
> > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 10:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: Oz DIY-WB board & sensor group purchase
> >
> >
> > > Wow, the rules have changed. I can handle this. Since I now have a
bunch
> > > of boards the cost will be at cost + $20US. Now this is hardly
anything
> > > considering the amount of time & effort that we put into designing,
> > testing,
> > > changing, retesting, prototyping, doing a schematic capture, layout,
> > dealing
> > > with the board house, setting up a web site for orders, shipping.
> > >
> > > I'm sure everyone will understand.
> > >
> > > BobR.
> > >
> > > P.S. This is a test, a test of peoples integrity. We now return you to
> > > your regularly scheduled program.
> > >
> > > Bruce wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey Bob:
> > > > I'd like to buy the boards Peter ordered.
> > > >
> > > > I'd also like to suggest also canceling the whole PCB group buy.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I am Grumpy
> > > > Grumpy
> > > >
> > > > PS. Reply to EFIWhiners.com
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Peter Gargano" <peter at techedge.com.au>
> > > > To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 9:04 PM
> > > > Subject: Oz DIY-WB board & sensor group purchase
> > > >
> > > > > Most of this is relevant only to potential Australian
> > > > > purchasers of the DIY-WB PCB & sensor.
> > > > >
> > > > > PCB
> > > > > ---
> > > > > People keeping up with the list would have heard that the
> > > > > Australian group purchase closed a while ago. We couldn't
> > > > > produce a local PCB at as low a cost as the US group buy, so
> > > > > I've decided to get the boards as part of the US group buy too.
> > > > > I also decided to order a few extra boards on the basis that
> > > > > more people would want PCBs after the Oz group buy closed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Board may even be as low as AU$10 (1 off) shipped to your door.
> > > > > But these excess PCBs will be sold strictly on a first come first
> > > > > serve basis.
> > > > >
> > > > > PARTS KIT
> > > > > ---------
> > > > > I've decide to go out on a limb and offer a DIY-WB kit of parts to
> > > > > all local PCB purchasers. It will be at cost + AU$20. It's still
> DIY,
> > > > > all I'm offering is a means to save people the time they would
> > > > > otherwise each individually spend sourcing these parts from a few
> > > > > different places. I'm certainly not doing this as a money making
> > > > > proposition as my time is more valuable than the hourly rate I'd
> > > > > be notionally making, but I'm doing it to make the point that DIY
> > > > > does not have to mean people are not recompensed for extra work
> > > > > they offer. I can expand on my expressed attitude if anyone is not
> > > > > happy with this brief explanation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sensor connector may be a problem unless there are a lot of
junkyard
> > > > > Hondas MY 93-96 with the same headlight harness connector as the
US
> > > > > models (thanks for the info Mark Riley).
> > > > >
> > > > > SENSOR
> > > > > ------
> > > > > As PCBs have not shipped yet, I have not actually finalised the
> > > > > Honda/NTK sensor group purchase (which is currently at qty. 15).
> > > > > All PCB purchasers have been given the opportunity to beat The
> > > > > Parts Bin price of US$117.78 + freight - if we can do better, then
> > > > > I'll go with that, but that looks like the best deal. I've also
> > > > > reminded people that freight will be added and GST may be a factor
> > > > > too. US$117.78 is about AU$225. Landed price will some tens of
AU$s
> > > > > higher.
> > > > >
> > > > > ORDERS
> > > > > ------
> > > > > Bottom line is, if you want a DIY-WB PCB, a parts kit, or a sensor
> > > > > then your time is limited.
> > > > >
> > > > > Peter.
> > > >
> >
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