Oz DIY-WB board SILLYNESS

[Len Sabatine]

     C'mon Guys , is It necessary to get personal here? There's always ways to
     work things out . Sometimes we just need to apply some politeness and be
     considerate of others. Doesn't that separate intelligent folks from 
those less
    fortunate ?
     Len

>I also support Peter G and agree with Daniel and Matt.
>How about changing your medication Bruce and give us guys downunder a break.
>
>Cheers Richard
>
>Matt Tomlins wrote:
>
> > Well said Daniel.
> > Peter has put a lot of effort into making an Australian group buy happen,
> > and we must
> > remember that we are talking 20 small AUSTRALIAN dollars  (Currently about
> > $0.18 USD  :>P  ), to
> > save the Australian guys a lot of grief trying to source components that
> > otherwise may be unobtainable.
> > Give the guy a break.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Matt
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Daniel" <bossute at iprimus.com.au>
> > To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 2:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: Oz DIY-WB board SILLYNESS
> >
> > > You guys are unbelievable , someone has offered to be able to procure the
> > > kit so we here downunder can DIY the WB ourselves. He is not asking to
> > make
> > > a profit on the deal but estimated what shipping duty etc is going to
> > cost.
> > > Some of these bits are unobtainable to a lot of the Aussie guys as we
> > don't
> > > have a zillion digikey stores in our backyard.Talk to a YANK supplier and
> > > ask them to send a small parcel off parts overseas and they just laugh at
> > > us.
> > >
> > > Since the company who made the boards made a profit I assume these boards
> > > cant be called DIY anymore.
> > >
> > > PETER HAS NOT OFFERED TO BUILD THE KITS OR SUPPLY A FULLY ASSEMBLED KIT.
> > >
> > > Does this mean that in the true spirit of DIY WB everyone should make
> > there
> > > own board right from the pcb manufacturing stage to final assembly.
> > >
> > > A REALLY PISSED OFF
> > > Daniel Collins
> > > Glad I live downunder !
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "rr" <RRauscher at nni.com>
> > > To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> > > Cc: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 10:13 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Oz DIY-WB board & sensor group purchase
> > >
> > >
> > > > Wow, the rules have changed. I can handle this. Since I now have a 
> bunch
> > > > of boards the cost will be at cost + $20US. Now this is hardly anything
> > > > considering the amount of time & effort that we put into designing,
> > > testing,
> > > > changing, retesting, prototyping, doing a schematic capture, layout,
> > > dealing
> > > > with the board house, setting up a web site for orders, shipping.
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure everyone will understand.
> > > >
> > > > BobR.
> > > >
> > > > P.S. This is a test, a test of peoples integrity. We now return you to
> > > > your regularly scheduled program.
> > > >
> > > > Bruce wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hey Bob:
> > > > > I'd like to buy the boards Peter ordered.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd also like to suggest also canceling the whole PCB group buy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, I am Grumpy
> > > > > Grumpy
> > > > >
> > > > > PS. Reply to EFIWhiners.com
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Peter Gargano" <peter at techedge.com.au>
> > > > > To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 9:04 PM
> > > > > Subject: Oz DIY-WB board & sensor group purchase
> > > > >
> > > > > > Most of this is relevant only to potential Australian
> > > > > > purchasers of the DIY-WB PCB & sensor.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PCB
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > People keeping up with the list would have heard that the
> > > > > > Australian group purchase closed a while ago. We couldn't
> > > > > > produce a local PCB at as low a cost as the US group buy, so
> > > > > > I've decided to get the boards as part of the US group buy too.
> > > > > > I also decided to order a few extra boards on the basis that
> > > > > > more people would want PCBs after the Oz group buy closed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Board may even be as low as AU$10 (1 off) shipped to your door.
> > > > > > But these excess PCBs will be sold strictly on a first come first
> > > > > > serve basis.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PARTS KIT
> > > > > > ---------
> > > > > > I've decide to go out on a limb and offer a DIY-WB kit of parts to
> > > > > > all local PCB purchasers. It will be at cost + AU$20. It's still
> > DIY,
> > > > > > all I'm offering is a means to save people the time they would
> > > > > > otherwise each individually spend sourcing these parts from a few
> > > > > > different places. I'm certainly not doing this as a money making
> > > > > > proposition as my time is more valuable than the hourly rate I'd
> > > > > > be notionally making, but I'm doing it to make the point that DIY
> > > > > > does not have to mean people are not recompensed for extra work
> > > > > > they offer. I can expand on my expressed attitude if anyone is not
> > > > > > happy with this brief explanation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sensor connector may be a problem unless there are a lot of 
> junkyard
> > > > > > Hondas MY 93-96 with the same headlight harness connector as the US
> > > > > > models (thanks for the info Mark Riley).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > SENSOR
> > > > > > ------
> > > > > > As PCBs have not shipped yet, I have not actually finalised the
> > > > > > Honda/NTK sensor group purchase (which is currently at qty. 15).
> > > > > > All PCB purchasers have been given the opportunity to beat The
> > > > > > Parts Bin price of US$117.78 + freight - if we can do better, then
> > > > > > I'll go with that, but that looks like the best deal. I've also
> > > > > > reminded people that freight will be added and GST may be a factor
> > > > > > too. US$117.78 is about AU$225. Landed price will some tens of AU$s
> > > > > > higher.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ORDERS
> > > > > > ------
> > > > > > Bottom line is, if you want a DIY-WB PCB, a parts kit, or a sensor
> > > > > > then your time is limited.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Peter.
> > > > >
> > >
> > > 
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