off topic but i have to say it.

[Gary Heuston]

as opposed to us just sitting back and waiting for everyone else to figure out
their own problems?  While thats great in theory all it would do is alienate us
from the rest of the world (which by the way would be speaking German if it
wasn't for us) and then people like you would be bitching because we didn't take
care of one situation or another.  If you would like to personally volunteer to
go on an assassination mission to take out ONLY Bin Laden yourself please let us
know, I'm sure the military would love to have your assistance in this matter.
People like you annoy me because it seems everything that happens in the worl
that doesn't turn out the way you want it is "our government screwing up our
lives" yet everything that the government does that is good and helps lots of
people live better lives seems to just get passed up by you.  Keep in mind you
are under no obligation whatsoever to continue to live in this "messed up
country" that the government has provided you, if theres another country you
think is doing a better job then go live there.
I am by no means a "Government can do no wrong" type of person, but this kind of
crap really gets to me.

Gary
gary.heuston at afwa.af.mil



Toby Corkindale wrote:

> This list is not the place for these discussions, but i have to point out
> there's more to it than you are seeing.
> The USA has always tried to do "the right thing", but often seems to end up
> making things worse. Cases in point are
>
> The whole "war on drugs"
> Involvement with Israels expansionist policy
> Vietnam.
> Backing Iraq, the Taliban, and Bin-laden. (With rather questionable
> motives; how the tables have turned now)
> Restarting international tension by breaking relations with China and
> Russia, breaking the Kyoto deal, starting up arms escalation again,
> restarting the starwars project, etc...
>
> Of course, none of this justifies terrorism! But starting WW3 isn't the
> solution either. You don't solve complex problems with simple solutions,
> like carpet bombing innocent people.
> I don't want to start an argument on here. Please feel welcome to join some
> on-topic discussion lists if you'd like to see arguments for both sides.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Toby
>
> (Newbie hat firmly in place)
>
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Greg Hermann wrote:
> > Precisely the kind of thoughts that put all of us into the pickle where
> > this sort of thing could happen in the first place I am afraid. Similar to
> > what Chaimberlain did for us all!
> >
> > I have no wish to kill the innocent. I do, however, have a _VERY_ inclusive
> > definition of "giving aid and/or comfort to the enemy" in a time of war.
> > There is only one acceptable fate for those who participate in such events
> > directly or indirectly, and I fear that collateral damage is pretty much
> > inevitable unless those otherwise good people who have stood by silently
> > while their countrymen plot and support such activities start to ACTIVELY
> > turn people in, and _NOW_!
> >
> > The toll in innocents will ultimately be FAR higher if it is dealt with in
> > any other way. I will readily admit that, if some innocents must die, that
> > I would prefer it to be theirs than ours! Excuuuuze me if you don't like
> > that!
> >
> > Greg
>
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